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felagund

As you all understand, there are different requirements to M3 from different people. We will not be able to satisfy them all in the first snapshot, but we will satisfy a lot of requirements. We will then continue to work on M3 to satisfy the needs of most all users, to the extent possible. Now, however, the main focus continues to be on stability and speed, while continuing to refine all the features we already have. We are getting closer each day!
Cheers,
Jon.

I understand it takes time (just longer than everybody expected, I guess), I am just really looking forward to it. M2 is still good but that is the only reason I still keep Opera 12 around and I miss having e-mails integrated into the browser.

On a related note, are there plans to have M3 also available for Android? From my research, there is no e-mail application in Android that would not slow down to a crawl when asked to download locally a large (100 000+ emails, 12 GB) inbox via IMAP. Since M2 could do this on computers a decade ago, today's phones must be capable of it hardware-wise, just the software is lacking:-(.

jon

@felagund , I agree with you. I could not do without having integrated mail. It is just so much more effective. M3 is great in that respect and I am so much looking forward to getting it out there.

With respect to mobile, the first step is clearly to get out M3 on desktop. Mobile will have to come later.

Best,
Jon.

Folgore101

@jon Will it always be integrated into Vivaldi also in the mobile version?

jon

@Folgore101 , it is just too early to say. We have some ideas, but it is going to take time.

Cheers,
Jon.

Folgore101

@jon All right, i'm glad to hear this news that further increases my interest in this project.

Holly

@jon seeing your activity and awareness in this thread makes me feel very relieved!
now I'll be back to waiting in excited anticipation.

jon

@Holly , hopefully you will not need to wait all that much longer. We continue to make great strides. There is still, however, work to be done. On the other hand, we have added quite a lot of functionality while working on stability, so we will have even more to show you.

Cheers,
Jon.

jon

M3 is just a very important project to me. I used M2 until M3 was usable enough for me to use it. Now I would not go back as M3 has for me so much more to offer. You will see what I mean once we go live.

Cheers,
Jon.

kahukura

@jon I am convinced it will be something good if there are no buttons that can't be opt out. Please keep us posted here as you do. Most of us like that you share some information about the ongoing work.

jon

@kahukura , as with everything we do, we provide options. That applies here as well. You will be able to use Vivaldi with or without M3. M3 will be there, but if you do not use it, you can hide it and likely even disable it, not that you really need to.

We try to keep you in the loop of what is happening, without spilling the beans on everything. There are just so many projects that are coming to fruition at this time. We have been adding the tracker and ad blocker and alarm clock. We are adding a lot more customization. Then there is M3 and feeds coming up shortly and there are a few other big things I have not mentioned, but that you will see soon.

Cheers,
Jon.

kahukura

@jon This is why I am here. I like innovations like these and it makes me always smile reading about what's coming up. Thank you very much! Not to forget, please stay all well. I assume it will get more bumpy before it improves. Vivaldi project connects people in a good way.

jon

@kahukura , thank you for your kind words. We are all staying home at this time. Hope you are staying safe as well!

Our project is even more important now as people spend even more time at home and on the Internet. We aim to provide some joy by releasing some really good updates in the months ahead.

Cheers,
Jon.

paul1149

@jon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

M3 is just a very important project to me. I used M2 until M3 was usable enough for me to use it.>
Cheers,
Jon.

Hi Jon,
I'm waiting on M3 before I switch from GM to VM, because I need the mail alert function that the Checker Plus extension currently adds to GM. I'm hoping M3/VM will be competitive to GM/Checker, which I would like to jettison along with the rest of Google.

Be well,
Paul

jon

@paul1149 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

@jon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

M3 is just a very important project to me. I used M2 until M3 was usable enough for me to use it.>
Cheers,
Jon.

Hi Jon,
I'm waiting on M3 before I switch from GM to VM, because I need the mail alert function that the Checker Plus extension currently adds to GM. I'm hoping M3/VM will be competitive to GM/Checker, which I would like to jettison along with the rest of Google.

Be well,
Paul

Hi Paul,

If notifications is what you need, clearly M3 has that. You would still read your mails in M3, though. We have a really good system for organizing your mails, IMHO. You will get to see it soon, I hope.

Cheers,
Jon.

mirmalag

A question that was maybe already asked: will it be possible to import M2 mails and configs in M3?

mirmalag

@Gwen-Dragon Glad to hear that. Have 12 years of email worth of loading
Thank you

burnout426

@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

Importing from M2 in Vivaldi M3 will come

Besides contacts, I assume this will just mean looking at IMAP account settings from accounts.ini (and the signatureN.txt files they point to) to create the IMAP accounts fresh in M3.

I assume no importing of the message cache and sync ids, IMAP folder subscriptions and designations from incomingN.txt, view settings for IMAP folders from index.ini, drafts and outbox messages (which are local-only) from the message store , and local-only sent message (for messages sent without an IMAP sent folder set). I also assume no importing of labels and the IMAP messages that are in them from index.ini, the indexer and database. I assume the only chance for labeled messages will be automatic from the IMAP server if keywords are set on the messages and M3 makes use of them.

I also assume no support for importing mbox files from POP accounts (from pop store/accountN folders) to an IMAP account folder to upload them to the server.

jumpsq

@burnout426 I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on? I could very well see that vivaldi just imports the mail storage as is, since the format makes a lot of sense (year/month/date folders) and .mbs files are pretty much just plain text and fast to parse.

burnout426

@jumpsq said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

@burnout426 I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on? I could very well see that vivaldi just imports the mail storage as is, since the format makes a lot of sense (year/month/date folders) and .mbs files are pretty much just plain text and fast to parse.

I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on?

M3 is only supposed to have IMAP (for starters at least). So, the simplest thing would be to just read account.ini settings for IMAP accounts to set up the accounts fresh in M3 and have M3 fetch the messages from the server. (This implies that other types of accounts will be skipped.)

Importing IMAP cached messages and their fetched status (so that M3 wouldn't refetch them from the server) I think would be a pain. You can't rely on the X-Opera-Status header flags in each m2 mbs file as they're not kept up-to-date. You have to read omailbase.dat. And, you have to read the UID file for each IMAP account. I don't see that effort and code being put into M3. Also, UIDs for messages on the server can change sometimes when the server is upgraded. Also, not every mbs file has a Message-ID to go by either. And, there can be multiple messages with the same message id. So, the Message-ID header can't be used for comparison with the copy on the server. Parsing the mbox files wouldn't be bad, but doing the rest would be more complicated and trying to make a correct comparison of a cached message imported from M2 to its copy on the server without m3 fetching the copy on the server would be a pain, imo.

As for importing pop m2 mbs files to an IMAP account of your choice, to upload to the IMAP server, I don't see that as hard. I just assume that's something that's not of concern for an IMAP-only client.

jumpsq

@burnout426 Fair enough to think that the data structure will be different in the end, but I would still hope that offline messages/accounts can just be imported and kept as well (I just don't want to have all my messages online, and I think that many people would not have enough disk space in their mail accounts to upload everything they kept offline for ages).