Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default
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@sbik Please calm down. There is no need to shout. Just upvote the first post in this thread.
This is one of the FAQ
- Right-click, Open in New Background Tab
- Ctrl+click
- Middle-click
- Mouse Gesture, Open Link in Background Tab (Over a Link)
- Vote for Allow Editing of Menus, but I agree with iAN, the default menu should not be changed. Configuration options are the best solution in most cases. It may take longer, but will not break the workflow of existing users.
Also see, the reply made 5 months ago by the Community Manager.
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Here is a video using three of the available methods to open tabs in the background:
- GestureDown over link = 5 links in 5 seconds
- Ctrl+Click on link = 5 links in 2.70 seconds
- Right-click, Open in Background tab = 5 links in 12.30 seconds
One could shave a couple of seconds off of that last time by changing the context menu, but it would still take twice as long as the next slowest method — using a mouse gesture.
Middle-click would be the same as Ctrl+Click but would need only one hand, if you have a working MMB.
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I have no doubt that ctrl+click is faster but like the others, I am used to a right click followed by clicking on the first option (muscle memory from chrome/firefox over 5 years).
Would love to see this is as a configurable option somewhere, thank you for all the great work in Vivaldi, I really like it.
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@s0h4m Firefox also has Ctrl+Click and Middle-click, so failing to adopt the quicker method is without any good reason.
One cannot even claim that is easier, although slower, if you have a MMB as that can be done without touching the keyboard.
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Every week or so I get notified of a new version of Vivaldi. I install it every time, hoping that this issue has been resolved. I scan through the What's New list, hoping to see a mention, but there never is one.
It's great for one browser to have a unique feature that none of the others have, if that feature enhances usability, but sadly for me this is quite the opposite.
I don't want to open every link in a new tab, I don't want to do slow clicks and I don't want to do mouse gestures. I just want it to work the way Firefox and Chrome do.
I accept that there are a lot of Vivaldi users who like it the way it is, but if you want to grow the user base, then I think you need to make it easier to use for newcomers like me who are used to the way it works elsewhere. OK, make it a user setting if that's what it takes, but unfortunately, although I like lots of Vivaldi features, it will never be my main browser until this issue is resolved.
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@Gelf This thread is tagged as Pipeline, which probably means that it won't be addressed this year.
If you cannot work without this, don't waste your time checking every update. Just bookmark this thread. When it is tagged as In Progress, then it is available in the latest Snapshot. When it is tagged as Done then it is available in the latest Stable build.
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@Pesala Because not everyone uses a mouse. I use a Windows laptop and a Macbook. Both I use with the touchpad only. And for both, I have to mandatorily use either the Ctrl or Cmd button while clicking.
Why is this so hard to implement? Brave is also a Chromium-based browser but they have implemented it already.
I'm a UX designer and to me, it's so obvious that from a UX perspective, this isn't great design because this is a repetitive task and though it might seem like a little thing initially, it builds friction against using the browser over tim.
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@Pesala said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
Here is a video using three of the available methods to open tabs in the background:
- GestureDown over link = 5 links in 5 seconds
- Ctrl+Click on link = 5 links in 2.70 seconds
- Right-click, Open in Background tab = 5 links in 12.30 seconds
One could shave a couple of seconds off of that last time by changing the context menu, but it would still take twice as long as the next slowest method — using a mouse gesture.
Middle-click would be the same as Ctrl+Click but would need only one hand, if you have a working MMB.
Gestures may be ok if you are used to them but most people are not.
Middle-Mouse would be the best option but on high ram load 3 out of 5 times the middle-mouse does NOT work for me and 1 out of 5 it opens the tab two times so you need to multiply your time x5 for me + close an unneeded tab +wait if it did work between tries => makes it useless, my guess is between 30 and 60 secondes for successfully opening 5 links.
5 links in 2,7 secounds are impossible. retry under "normal" conditions. lean back in your chair as much as you can, make your self comfortable( for me keyboard is out of reach in this position), now start the timer, after each link get back to the starting position. 2,7 seconds per link(13,5s/5 links) are optimitic but still slower as 12,3 seconds
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@TheCrap It's a shame your mouse is non-functional.
Middle-click is five links in 2.1 seconds here.
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@TheCrap said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
... and should not be hard to implement...
It never pays to guess.
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@Ayespy Every other browser has managed to do it.
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@Gelf It should not be hard to try with a different mouse.
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@Pesala I just want right click, open link in new tab as top menu item, and that opens the link in a new background tab. Don't want to mess with middle click, gestures, etc.
But for some reason Vivaldi wants to be "unique" in its behaviour. -
@Pesala said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
@gaelle said:
Please give us more feedback about how you expect the behavior to function. Also, why is Ctrl + click or a mouse gesture that are already available not an option for you?
Let me play advocatus diabolo:
Possible reasons are:
- No access to the keyboard.
- Mouse gestures are a PITA to perform with a trackball. (Speaking of experience here, cant use mice because RSI)
- Middle click is no option in 2 button mice or on most trackballs.
- Normal click is preferable to extra actions if it is a default behavior. If I want it as default behavior, it should not afford extra actions, that is bad design. Default behavior should always be the easiest possible option to trigger an action.
Additionally: If it can be done with an extension, it can be done with Vivaldi. It needs less than 2 kB of code + an additional setting (which needs some code too)
I wonder if somebody has made a mod for it ... (If not: Hint! Hint!)
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@Gelf said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
But for some reason Vivaldi wants to be "unique" in its behaviour.
I don't think they put the context menu in the order they did for the sake of being unique. I assume they did it this way because that is what they feel makes sense.
Obviously, not everyone feels the same way. Personally, I'd like to see 'Open link' at the top (it's the one I use the most from the context menu, since it cannot be bound to a key or mouse command) with 'Open in Background Tab' in the second position.
Hopefully the feature request to allow users to edit menus will go through, so we can all have it the way we want.
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@Gelf True. No other browser has Vivaldi's unique style of architecture, (3 layers instead of two, built with non-native elements) nor is as young/new as Vivaldi.
I predict the kind of customization you are looking for will arrive, but I personally suspect it will come at the same time that Vivaldi menus are made customizable. I have no special insight whereby I know this to be the case - it just makes sense to me.
The developers are keenly aware of users longing for this feature, and I fear browbeating them or us will not make it come faster. It will be ready when it's ready.
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@Komposten said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
I assume they did it this way because that is what they feel makes sense.
My thinking is that since this is the way it was originally designed before it was ripped off and altered by other browsers, and since this is the way it works in Opera12 (made by the developers who invented "open in new tab") and since Vivaldi was founded largely for the purpose of providing safe harbor to users who had been cast adrift when Opera12 was abandoned, they built it the way old Opera users would be comfortable.
I personally, in the couple of years I used New Opera15 et seq, never grew used to "new tab" always opening in the background. When I open in a new tab, it's because I want to go there. Now. But without losing my old tab. And it always kind of pissed me off I couldn't do this in New Opera after it switched to the Blink engine. It was one of many things that pissed me off about the change.
That said, because the change in default behavior was something I could never get comfortable with, I totally understand new Vivaldi users who find the original design of the function uncomfortable, because they have never used it. And for this reason, I think editing menus will come, and this will be part of it. But I think the "out of the box" behavior will remain the one that we old, loyal users of the original Opera expected.
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I'm still a bit bemused by users who adopt Vivaldi because it's new and different, and then are incensed that it's not just like their old browser. Head-scratcher.
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@Ayespy
It has nothing to do with their old browsers. It's just there are certain de facto standard solutions across browsers, which Vivaldi tends to ignore. Most of us don't use Vivaldi, because it's new and different. We use it, because it has much more customization options, than other browsers. -
@Nekomajin said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
It's just there are certain de facto standard solutions across browsers
In both Firefox and Opera 60 "Open Link in New Tab," is at the top of the menu, so Vivaldi is following other browsers.
What do you mean when you talk about de facto standards?