The 4-year challenge

kahukura

O 3.xx .. O 12.17
<lots of crap in between>
Vivaldi since, dunno when - we just became friends over time.

Kobi

Google Chrome back then, currently using Microsoft Edge (anxious for blink update).

Vivaldi is a good browser, but it's not there for me:

Resource usage is inconsistent (tends to be more resource hungry than Chrome in some instances).
The settings are a mix of Vivaldi and Chrome pages (with some settings being override on the Vivaldi Pages, every setting should be ported to the Vivaldi Pages).
Future plans to add bloat like Webmail (I want a clean and light browser, and option to not install those extra features in the future would be a long way).
Lacks proper WebExtensions Support (even simple extensions have problems working at 100%).
The updates are not stable enough yet, with always new bugs and issues reaching the stable channel (most of them tend to be minimal and won't affect the browser usage, but I would rather not have regressions in stable releases).

Of course this is just my opinion, you people do with the browser whatever you want. I know lots of people are okay with everything I said above and I respect them.

kahukura

@Kobi Be patient as good things will last and grow over time. There is a reason Vivaldi exists and has an ever growing user base.
Mail is NOT bloat, it is wanted by many but not accepted by all. It will have no impact to the general browsing experience for sure.

Para-Noid

@Kobi said in The 4-year challenge:

Resource usage is inconsistent (tends to be more resource hungry than Chrome in some instances).

The settings are a mix of Vivaldi and Chrome pages (with some settings being override on the Vivaldi Pages, every setting should be ported to the Vivaldi Pages).

Future plans to add bloat like Webmail (I want a clean and light browser, and option to not install those extra features in the future would be a long way).

Lacks proper WebExtensions Support (even simple extensions have problems working at 100%).

The updates are not stable enough yet, with always new bugs and issues reaching the stable channel (most of them tend to be minimal and won't affect the browser usage, but I would rather not have regressions in stable releases).

Of course this is just my opinion, you people do with the browser whatever you want. I know lots of people are okay with everything I said above and I respect them.

Vivaldi is known to use less resources than Chrome. Multiple independent tests have proven this. (You can Google this.)
Some settings are more logically placed in a "Chrome" environment.
I don't see M3 as being bloatware. (Do you have some inside information the rest of us don't have?)
I have yet to see any major issues concerning extensions. Third party extensions have their own child board on the forums.
The updates are plenty stable. Bugs will happen in "any" software. Snapshots can be by nature buggy.

I cannot live my life based on opinions. I live my life according to facts. The only fact about Chrome I know is that Chrome loads pages faster than Vivaldi. Vivaldi respects their users privacy while Chrome does not. A user can customize Vivaldi tons more than Chrome. Edge couldn't get their version of Opera to work now MS is going to try Chromium. Who knows where Edge will be six months from now.

I wish people would get their facts straight before smearing/trolling Vivaldi.

kahukura

@Para-Noid Give them time they need to understand what's different to the other browsers.

luetage

@Para-Noid

That's highly unlikely, since both browsers use the same engine and Vivaldi has the "disadvantage" of being built upon web technologies. Now I wouldn't see this as a disadvantage at all, since it enables us to do all the custom modifications, but in terms of resource usage and speed of UI it certainly is. At best resource usage will be equal to Chrome on same chromium version.
The Vivaldi devs have hinted at combined settings in the past. The split settings are annoying me too and somewhere down the road they will hopefully be joined. It's a valid "complaint".

Para-Noid

@luetage I probably should have qualified my response to #2 as "hopefully the Vivaldi devs will combine all settings in one place." Even though V has come a long way it is still "under construction". As you deftly put it "hinted" can be a long way from reality. Till then Vivaldi satisfies my browsing needs....for now.

Kobi

@kahukura I am patient, just won't be using Vivaldi as my Main Browser at the moment.

@Para-Noid I find it very rude for an ambassador to accuse people of trolling, just because there's a difference of opinion.

Vivaldi is known, check google? I did my own testing, there's more than enough information and topics about resource usage on this same Forum (not to mention I was talking specific cases, but some people like to read between lines).
No logic in having settings split between Vivaldi and Chromium, it's also extremely confusing as some settings get override by others between the pages.
That is your opinion, I live in 2019 and I see no use for a local mail client, I'm fine with webmail. Having a mail client imbedded in the browser would be bloat for me.
Maybe cause you not a developer yourself, you don't see how crippled some extensions are. There's a reason we have topics like this.
When you have regressions on the Stable channel, you know it's not Stable (normally releases with regressions stay in Beta until fixed).

You so lost you even accused Microsoft (Edge) of using Opera engine, when in fact it used it's own engine EdgeHTML (nothing to do with Opera). Then you wanna talk of facts with me, when all you could do was try to shove your opinion down my throat while being rude.

Para-Noid

@Kobi You're right. I don't know anything.

kahukura

@Kobi I and for sure others treasure your opinion as it has valid points. Some things are worked on while we talk others take more time. Resource usage is always in focus of The Team as I have read multiple times. That means some things can be improved while others require some more shiny light before it happens. I can not tell anything about extensions as I don't use them extensively.

Please be so kind to report any issues you encounter that doesn't work as expected to the developers. It will help to make you convince that the browser is good for everyone's need and also serves the purpose you need it for.

Kobi

@kahukura As I said I'm patient and I know it takes time, if I didn't care about Vivaldi I wouldn't have said anything nor be here.

Most of the concerns I raised are already known both among the community and developers. The same way I know most people want the Mail Client, while I keep insisting I just want an option during install to not include it at all.

Some of the regressions in the stable channel, is what got me to uninstall Vivaldi last time too, currently I'm using Microsoft Edge and I won't have problems going back to Vivaldi in the future.

kahukura

@Kobi Isn't it good to have such an interaction between devs and us (users) what is needed and where we would see some more progress? Regarding M3, let's just wait when it sees the light of the day to discuss it further. There are high expectations and not all might be fulfilled but that just leaves room for improvement. I wish that someday Vivaldi is the browser of your choice and you a contributing member of it's future development.

Ayespy

@Kobi said in The 4-year challenge:

I live in 2019 and I see no use for a local mail client, I'm fine with webmail. Having a mail client imbedded in the browser would be bloat for me.

I also live in 2019 and, like millions, have a critical need for a local mail client. Glad you're fine with webmail. That's kewl. The totality of the "bloat" with the embedded client is a very slightly larger installer. In fact, the installer for today's internal test version with mail is a MB smaller than the most recent snapshot without mail. Whut? And if you don't activate mail, it does not impact your usage in any way whatever. See how that works? I get what I need, and you don't have to have it. It's like magic.

kahukura

@Ayespy Wanna share the todays installer to prove you right? :face_savouring_delicious_food: (j/k)

Edit: All Offtopic, sorry for hijacking.

Ayespy

@kahukura Uhm, yeah, sure! Actually, no. But thank you for playing.

Catweazle

I think Vivaldi also lives off criticism. I have used Vivaldi from the beginning and at the beginning I really had enough criticizable points. Even so I have used it as my main navigator because, it offered me features and tools that greatly improved my browsing experience, for the concept itself and for a wonderful community.
Yes, I have used faster browsers, but this has never been an important factor for me, after all the differences in speed are minimal and it is logical that a browser like Chrome, that apart from navigating to dry, without many more features , it's easy for it to take a nanosecond less (and spend more than twice as much on resources) as Vivaldi.
Certain that there is still way ahead in its development to put the things that are still missing, even so it already appears in some magazines and specialized pages as a browser to take into account and some even name it as the best navigator of the existing ones. It is not little for a browser that has 4 years of life, others after 10 years is not even mentioned in comparisons.

michalmisiu

2002-2014: Opera
2015-now: Vivaldi

AnrDaemon

@Para-Noid said in The 4-year challenge:

If you are implying M3 and a RSS reader, …

No. M3 and RSS has nothing to do with security.

I'm implying URL filter and custom CSS/content blocker.
There's no other reason to use Opera ATM.

Catweazle

Deleted by justified suggestion of @rafiki,Mea culpa

Catweazle

@rafiki said in The 4-year challenge:

@catweazle: You have no idea of my circumstances so your 'suggestion' is totally useless and inappropriate.

You're right, sorry