Solved Cannot Move Bookmarks on Bookmarks Bar
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@decepticon it's not a bug, bookmarks are perfectly managed where they are, once done sorting them what do you need more? are you moving your bookmarks every 5 minutes? If anything, it's an additional feature request.
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@decepticon said in Bookmark Bar Can't Move Bookmarks:
I need a normal Bookmark Bar like chrome and other chromium based browsers, not a Bookmark Panel
Every pebble on the beach has different priorities. One user who just dumped Vivaldi said:
@thubleau said in Just dumped Vivaldi:
Opera has now made it onto my quick launch bar and Vivaldi has been removed .
The only thing I don't like is the inability for the bookmarks to stay permanent on the left side.That is, for him/her the only thing missing from Opera is a Bookmarks Panel.
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@pesala You should contact them. Opera has a pretty nice bookmarks extension for its sidebar
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@Pesala firefox also have a bookmark panel but their bookmark bar still works fine, and i don't think opera's bookmark bar has the same problem as vivaldi (bugmark bar :v)
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@decepticon I don't think you recall how long it took Opera to achieve a fully working bookmarks bar. And they weren't working or conformability features at the same time, plus their development team was ten times the size of Vivaldi's. We will get there.
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@ayespy it is hard to understand when every chromium based browsers work fine except for vivaldi
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@decepticon Vivaldi is not a chromium-based browser. It is a browser which is built using technologies and architecture completely unrelated to Chromium (or any other browser for that matter), and which uses the Chromium engine to render web content. The chromium UI and the Vivialdi UI (of which the bookmarks bar is a part) have nothing to do with each other.
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@ayespy said in Bookmark Bar Can't Move Bookmarks:
@decepticon Vivaldi is not a chromium-based browser. It is a browser which is built using technologies and architecture completely unrelated to Chromium (or any other browser for that matter), and which uses the Chromium engine to render web content. The chromium UI and the Vivialdi UI (of which the bookmarks bar is a part) have nothing to do with each other.
Really? I'd always thought that vivaldi was a chromium-based browser
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@decepticon As I stated, it uses the Chromium (and its javascript) engine. That is all. The browser itself is built of technologies foreign to Chromium. The chromium engine means that it renders web pages the same as "usual" browsers. The HTML, js, react, css etc. technologies that it is built from means that the User Interface is not limited by the elements used by Chromium or the system that it it installed on, (so it can be very flexible and conformable) that it can be developed much more rapidly than a browser that uses native elements, and that it can be made to appear basically exactly the same from one platform to the next. It also means that everything in the browser itself has to be written from scratch by the Vivaldi developers, with no borrowing from anyone else's work.
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ok. now I get it, but the bugmark bar has existed for more than 3 years and it's just not a high priority at the moment... so when does this nightmare end??
@ayespy said in Bookmark Bar Can't Move Bookmarks:
@skasix The Bookmarks Bar is unfinished. However, since it's a TON of code to write for all of the features it should have, and as all editing and organizing tools are available in the bookmarks panel and the bookmarks editor (found on the Start Page), there is no rush to pull anyone off of the major features that are being worked on, to devote their time to this feature. It will come - it's just not a high priority at the moment.
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@decepticon said in Bookmark Bar Can't Move Bookmarks:
so when does this nightmare end??
Just as soon as you wake up and come to terms with reality.
The Bookmarks Bar existed in Opera Presto for longer than I can remember, but it never got the right-click bookmark management options on folders that you want.
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@decepticon I don't know. What I do know is that I would like to see it done, and so would the founder, Jon. He told me so, to my face. However, the team is too small (we basically have about 20 developers) and the scope of higher-priority tasks too large to predict when it will get some developer love. So at the moment, I can do no more than counsel patience.
With their 200+ developers, it took Opera over a year to get theirs done (and it still does not have text-only or icon-only view). I know our guys are faster and cleverer than theirs, but things like sync, email, profound media bugs, etc. take priority.
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Something to keep in mind for users who haven't lived through the full cycle of web browser development, starting at least with Mosaic, is that most of the browser features we take for granted today are all cumulative in nature. They were conceived and added by an enormous amount of development effort by multiple companies over a long stretch of time. A new browser whose user interface is being designed from the ground up and which employs unique coding technology (like Vivaldi) must create each and every user feature 'from scratch'. It isn't enough to know what feature one wants and simply copy/tweak existing code mechanisms to instantiate it... one has to figure out how to cause it to happen using entirely new methods - one feature at a time, all without breaking something else. What is remarkable about Vivaldi is how far it's already come in such a short timespan.
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@Ayespy What a pity basic functionality is not one of your highest priorities.
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@Ayespy Oh come on. This is a basic function that exists in every browser. As does the ability to drag & drop links to sub-folders on the bookmarks toolbar. You shouldn't have rolled out the browser until such basic functions were completed. And it's not just the bookmarks that are useless. It's the zoom button being a tiny icon at the bottom right side of the screen, because those who need to use it really need it to be difficult to see & access to begin with? Then there's the fact that every button you add to the toolbar, moves the search & home button over to the left. Eventually ending up on the left side of the screen. Crucial functions. Ignored, locked in or simply not working. Vivaldi is the perfect example of how to screw up an otherwise great browser. Well done.
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@kouldb I don't have any priorities. I don't work for Vivaldi.
One person's "basic functionality" is another person's "pointless frill." I'm one person who does not need a bookmarks bar that does all the tricks. I essentially set it and forget it. When I need to add or change something, I use the panel.
That's not to say there are not thousands of users who find a full-featured bookmarks bar essential. There surely are. Vivaldi certainly must provide the expected. It stays alive, however, by providing the unexpected. That is what attracts eyeballs, generates tech news articles, and grows the user base. (a necessity, not a nicety, as one person is funding the entire project out of their own pocket) Then at the same time, work is always going forward on the fundamentals. There will never be a time when everyone is happy with the balance of what does and does not get attention. But in time, all of the spaces will be filled.
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@kouldb - When there is so much to do, and only a few developers to do the work, they have to prioritise things that matter most. The Bookmarks Bar issues have an easy workaround, at least for most users, by using the Bookmarks Panel. There, one can edit, drag and drop, delete, rename etc. It may be a basic function, but it already exists — just not where you want it.
For me, the drag and drop functionality (20 votes) is much more important than the Context Menu in Opened Bookmarks Bar Folders (72 votes).
Everyone's priorities are different. With some 1,370 feature requests the developers have to focus their energies in the place that they decide is the top priority. It is not a decision made by Ayespy or anyone outside of the Vivaldi Team.
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As this is still an issue in 05/2020 I would like to point developers to this one as it is still annoying.
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@sjetesjete It is no longer an issue.
- In Bookmarks Bar folders one can simply drag and drop bookmarks anywhere within that folder's tree.
- On the Bookmarks Bar one can drag folders or bookmarks around by holding down shift. The need to hold shift is new, and is consistent to moving buttons on other toolbars.
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@Pesala I just noticed this in 2020! I generally organize/place my bookmarks onto the toolbar when I save them lol, out of curiosity, any idea which version "hold shift" function was implemented?
