Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?
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@Durtro I didn't want to say that there's no issue here. There is, and it should be fixed.
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I posted here, a link to the current Outlook (.com) IMAP and SMTP settings. I was not able to locate similar settings for Hotmail or Live accounts, so I do not know if the same settings also apply.
There was a change made some months back, where the regular account password no longer worked for Outlook accounts, at least when using a third-party client. OAuth then became required, when accessing the accounts using Vivaldi Mail.
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@WildEnte said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:
@Durtro @yojimbo274064400 this is a very complicated way to say "labels are not case sensitive. If you want to name a label 'CamelCase', make sure not to name it 'camelcase' the first time, because it cant be fixed later."
Fair point; it was detailed to illustrate the irreversibly of that issue.
I do believe that with time Vivaldi will resolve this issue without having to rely on the server clearing deleted / unused labels ; likely in the same way that well established labels are currently handled by mapping user definable text to reference label, i.e. Important on client maps to label1 on IMAP server.
Hopefully being aware of such issues will allow @paaljoachim to make the best use of Vivaldi as it is today.
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Thank you for the feedback everyone. I need some time going through this.
As I am gradually learning how to use Vivaldi + mail.Thank you again!
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Another thing.
I assume that Vivaldi mail can only be checked on the computer that that I created it on. There is no way to add it to a mobile phone because Vivaldi mail is the browser on the computer that it was originally created on. Is this correct?Tutorial creator. Freelance web designer/developer creating web sites with WordPress. I give feedback in relation to design, UI, testing and more to various companies on products they create. https://easywebdesigntutorials.com/about/freelance/
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@paaljoachim If you use an e-mail mobile app (I use FairEmail on Android.), you can add your Vivaldi (.net) e-mail account to it.
Use the same server settings used in the Vivaldi Mail client on desktop. If you are using OAuth to access your mail (via IMAP) on desktop, you should be able to use OAuth as well, on mobile.
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@paaljoachim There are mail servers you create an account on and there are mail clients—apps which are dedicated to managing your accounts. As long as you don’t comprehend the difference you shouldn’t rush into organizing your email.
It’s a bad idea to divert/move mail from one server to another, unless you are switching one of your chosen servers out with a replacement. Each email account should serve a different purpose, your client combines them for easy viewing/management.
Which client you use doesn’t matter. In case you run a Vivaldi desktop browser on the device, this could be the inbuilt client. In case of a mobile device the FairEmail client is great. But clients are interchangeable and you can use different ones as you see fit.
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Thank you.
Shockhosting is my web host as well as where the mail server resides.
This makes the Vivaldi mail ( So that is the .net???) the mail client.That makes the Vivaldi browser with the Vivaldi mail I use here on my Macbook Pro the client.
What Edward speaks about as I understand it is that I can use FairEmail on Android as another mail client. If I use multiple clients they should all be be updated with the inbox and sent emails when one of them is in use. Is that correct? So that it really does not matter which client I use to check my email. Currently on my Android phone I go to outlook.com to check my hotmail. So to check my email I would have to use FairEmail and not Vivaldi to check my emails on my Phone. Basically just add the IMAP accounts to the new client similar to how I have added the IMAP accounts to Vivaldi.
I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.
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@paaljoachim You are still confusing Vivaldi webmail (the server your Vivaldi account has email access to) with the Vivaldi mail client in the browser.
So far you talked about three accounts: Vivaldi webmail (this is an account, not a client), hotmail (account, not client), and the mail server on shockihosting (no idea about it, but that’s a server, not a client).
Connect all three of these accounts with your Vivaldi browser as client (not with
webmail.vivaldi.net, that’s one of your servers, not a client).After reading this the following quote should no longer make any sense to you:
I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.
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@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:
Thank you.
Shockihosting is my web host as well as where the mail server resides.
This makes the Vivaldi mail ( So that is the .net???) the mail client.No. The Vivaldi Mail client in the browser, is separate from Vivaldi Webmail.
That makes the Vivaldi browser with the Vivaldi mail I use here on my Macbook Pro the client.
Yes, Vivaldi Mail is a mail client.
What Edward speaks about as I understand it is that I can use FairEmail on Android as another mail client. If I use multiple clients they should all be be updated with the inbox and sent emails when one of them is in use. Is that correct? So that it really does not matter which client I use to check my email. Currently on my Android phone I go to outlook.com to check my hotmail. So to check my email I would have to use FairEmail and not Vivaldi to check my emails on my Phone. Basically just add the IMAP accounts to the new client similar to how I have added the IMAP accounts to Vivaldi.
Correct. You can access the same accounts you use with the Vivaldi Mail client, on your phone with FairEmail, or another reputable e-mail app.
I really would have liked to in a sense login to my Vivaldi mail on multiple Vivaldi browser to gain access to it, but that is not something Vivaldi does but the online version which seems a lot more limited and looks really like themed Round Cube.
Once your Vivaldi Reputation level is high enough that it unlocks access to Vivaldi Webmail, you can then use the Vivaldi Mail client and a mobile e-mail app to access that as well. Once logged in, go to this page. If you see a Webmail link on the right side of the page when scrolling, you have access.
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Thank you very much @luetage and @edwardp
I am gradually wrapping my mind around this.
So....
It is really confusing having two different Vivaldi email type of accounts.
One for Vivaldi mail client through one browser on ones own computer.
Then Vivaldi Webmail. I have access to Vivaldi Webmail but I only see a vivaldi email address that I can use. I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.I might in an every day language say that there are two flavors of Vivaldi mail. One that resides on your own computer and one gets access through the Vivaldi browser on your desktop/laptop Linux, OSX or Windows computer.
The other which is a bit harder to gain access to because of too many spammers have hit Vivaldo so that it takes a while to really gain enough trust/reputation to be allowed to have a fully working Vivaldi Webmail which one can also check additional email accounts one might have. I need to understand this as I also plan to create a beginner kind of video tutorial.There is more but that is what I remember right now.
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@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:
I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.
Nope. Vivaldi webmail is a simple, no-frills webmail account under your username with 5GB storage, nothing more. It does not entertain additional identities or external accounts. In order to add more identities for Vivaldi Webmail, one would actually have to sign up for additional user accounts in the Vivaldi community, each with its own username, and each with its own need to build reputation to have access to webmail.
Vivaldi Mail built in to the browser is a full-featured email client, which can retrieve, view, store and send emails for any email account which you own.
Webmail is like a car. The mail client is like a road and a garage for all your cars.
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Thank is a very good explanation!
Here I thought that I would be able to have a car trailer with multiple cars.
This actually means that the Vivaldi webmail is not interesting to me as I do not need another email address but need to gain access to the mail accounts / cars I already have.As I am gradually coming to understand it. The Vivaldi mail client built into the browser can be used only in the one specific browser on the computer the browser is used in. If I need to check my emails another place such as on another computer or my phone then I would have to use another client.
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@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:
As I am gradually coming to understand it. The Vivaldi mail client built into the browser can be used only in the one specific browser on the computer the browser is used in. If I need to check my emails another place such as on another computer or my phone then I would have to use another client.
If you have more that one desktop computer (I have two.), you can install Vivaldi to each of them and add the same e-mail account(s) to the Vivaldi Mail client, on each one.
For a phone, you can also add the same e-mail accounts to the e-mail app you choose to use.
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@paaljoachim I use Vivaldi Mail client over IMAP to have access to all of my accounts on all of my full-size computing devices (six separate devices running 3 OSes at the moment - 5 desktop towers, and a laptop - and one of these towers has dual-boot Windows and Linux, using the mail client on both of them).
Before I used IMAP to sync all devices, I did essentially the same thing over POP3, using the instruction for each instance to leave downloaded emails on the server - so I could also download them on other devices.
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Great!
Thank you @edwardp and @Ayespy
First a question. Sending/receiving emails all of these recorded on the email server at Shockhosting? So it does not matter which client one uses for all of the activity will be recorded on the email server.
I assume that I can delete the full Vivaldi mail account with the various email accounts I have added there to add these again showing how it is done through a video tutorial? (With all the messages returned.)
Here is a summary I plan to use with a tutorial.
An email client
An email client is an application that is used to access emails. Examples of email clients are Apple Mail, Gmail, Thunderbird, Outlook, Vivaldi Mail etc.
An email account
An email account is the specific email address. The user accesses the email address in a client.
An email service provider
An email service provider uses an email server and has the technology for sending and receiving emails.
Messages are usually stored on the email server so that one can use any client to send/receive emails and the email server will show the various activity going on for each client. Activity will also sync between the various clients. Sometimes the client and the server are the same such as a web hosts Round Cube program, Gmail, Vivaldi webmail etc.An example. Vivaldi mail (client) built into the Vivaldi browser can retrieve from the email server, view, store and send emails for any email account that one owns.
An example for the Android phone is using the client/app FairEmail to retrieve email account(s).
Retrieving email through IMAP
One uses what is called IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) to retrieve email messages from a mail server to the client. One can then use multiple clients on multiple devices.
The difference between Vivaldi webmail account vs Vivaldi Mail
Vivaldi webmail account (and client) is for one email address. Similar to checking one email address through gmail or outlook.com.
Vivaldi Mail client is built into the Vivaldi browser meant to access the various email accounts one has access to.
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@paaljoachim I am going to assume that your provider logs all accesses to its mail server, so yes, each access is logged.
Vivaldi Webmail is separate from the Vivaldi Mail client. Once you have gained Vivaldi Webmail access, you can use the Vivaldi Mail client to access it.
I am not aware of any limitations on the number of email accounts you can use with the Vivaldi Mail client. On one of my installs, with most of the accounts used for testing, I have more than 20 email accounts added.
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@paaljoachim Wrong, the Vivaldi webmail account is the server (service provider); you can use this account on any number of clients. Otherwise your overview is pretty much correct.
You make an account for an email service provider. Almost all email service providers feature a web interface too. You can use this web interface to manage your account. Gmail has one, Yahoo has one, GMX has one, Vivaldi has one. Many people have just one account and then manage it online through the web interface. The better way is to manage your account(s) through a client, so that you don’t have to deal with the different web interfaces.
One curious fact is people on desktop favor the web interface of their service providers over a dedicated client, while on mobile they demand everything to be an app. They wouldn’t ever consider opening their mobile browser to access the web interface of their accounts. Inconsistency in its most erratic state.
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@luetage Design explains a great deal of that inconsistency. The web interface of mail services is designed for a desktop screen, while mobile mail apps are designed for a phone screen. It's hard to use the web interface on a phone, but easy to use an app.
And as for me, I find a desktop client easier to use than a web interface or a mobile app, either one. So it's far and away my preferred way to access mail.
