You're holding it wrong!
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@Aashishkebab I'm afraid @mib2berlin is correct.
I run 3 different versions of Vivaldi (stable, snapshot and nightly test version) on 12 different systems Android phone, Android tablet, Win10 64 (3 different machines), Win10 X86, Win11 64 (5 different machines), Linux Mint 64, and can't get it to misbehave the way you somehow can. This may be partly due to the fact that I use no modifications or extensions. I do run the email client on nearly every non-mobile system. But somehow, it just works. The oldest machine is an old Core2 Quad from 2009 and the newest, I picked up in October - runs a Core I=i7 13700 3ith 32GB DDR4 RAM.
And none of these have the problems you have - in spite of the fact that I intentionally look for bugs I can report and help to get fixed.
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@Ayespy you're telling me you've never faced issues with the tab bar?
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@Aashishkebab Such as?
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@Ayespy where the tab bar will suddenly stop reflecting the current tabs, and you can no longer close them except with keyboard shortcuts?
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@Aashishkebab No. Never seen that.
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@Aashishkebab said in You're holding it wrong!:
@yngve at this point I don't even know which bugs I've filed.
But: there is a bug where you try to close a tab in the background and suddenly all the tabs become irresponsive. Opening and closing tabs doesn't reflect anything in the tab bar and I have to close Vivaldi. This bug has been present for years.
I've used Opera extensively. I've used Edge extensively. I've used Chrome for over a decade. Same extensions on all of them.
I can't even remember the last time I saw a bug on Chrome, let alone the dozen every day I encounter on Vivaldi.
And it's now just PC. The Android version of Vivaldi is incredibly buggy. The latest update has been causing pages to regularly crash, and the UI is very slow and unresponsive.
If Opera made their browser utilize the Custom Tabs API, I would switch in a heartbeat. And every day I am more drawn towards going back to Chrome as my daily driver.
I have this exact issue. It tends to occur on websites with heavy ad loads, with one example I’ve seen it happen on multiple times being the New York Post.
Basically, I’ll try to close the tab and the tab close mechanism will hang for a second until it’s done. It appears to be an issue with an out-of-control process on an ad-heavy page. If I turn off the ads, that helps, but it appears to be an aggressive ad issue.
I was able to recreate the issue just now by going to the New York Post and turning back on the ads.
Also, confirming that I’ve also seen issues with Android, particularly around the browser-bar UI, which tends to disappear when scrolling.
I would encourage the mods here to not discount issues like these because they can be very difficult to nail down, but they do affect end-user quality of life.
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What's up with all the Apple hate?
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@grgosilovic So how long have you been a Vivaldi user?
I note that you have been a member of the Vivaldi community for 17 minutes and seem to have formed the opinion that someone here "hates" Apple. What do you think of Vivaldi?
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5 months, and I love Vivaldi so so much. Sorry if I am mistaken, I've been reading Vivaldi blog for a couple months now and I know they are against Big Tech but they seem to be talking against Apple more than against other companies. Not defending Apple or Big Tech here, just not sure why single them out.
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@grgosilovic Well, as to the forums, "they" are for the most part users, not Vivaldi per se. And users have their likes and dislikes.
Vivaldi management does not take kindly to companies that impede their growth and survival, and Apple does this. Apple, as a business strategy, is inimical to all-things-not-apple, as manifested in their intentional and targeted practice of ensuring that nothing not-apple is allowed to co-exist with apple (you can't install not-apple software on apple hardware, you can't use non-Apple branded hardware with apple hardware, you can't use a non-apple-based browser on iOS, etc.) This impedes the expansion of non-apple things into apple spaces. They have also manifested this in how they have "implemented" anti-exclusionist EU law - so that they can still make money off of anyone, for instance, who wants to provide apps outside the Apple store. So when someone holds themselves separate from and apart from you, and uses their position to make your life less easy, it's natural to resent them at least a little. There's probably some of that.
But otherwise, among the Vivaldi development staff, there are more MacOS users (and many more Linux users) than among the populace at large. So this would not be a case of ingrained hostility. It would be a reaction to being held at a disadvantage by Apple.
As to users, there are forum spaces dedicated to MacOS and iOS use and users, and there is otherwise more neglect than hostility. No one hates Apple. It either doesn't matter to them, or they use it, or they are somewhat non-plussed (even wryly amused) by its arrogant and non-inclusive approach to business. I think that attitude rubs off on their customers somewhat. Like my daughters have a mild contempt for my use of Android and Windows devices rather than their "superior" Mac and iOS devices - while I don't make fun of them for the devices they use, for the fact that none of their devices can use any of the many chargers I have handy, for the fact they can't install apps I find useful (and free), for the fact that some of their software is purposely obsoleted by their hardware provider (that hardware can't use pinterest any more, because a version of the app compatible for it is no longer made, and you can't access pinterest without the app.) so that you HAVE to buy new hardware.
Likewise I don't make fun of Linux users though they find me silly and stupid for not being conversant with Linux and not restricting all my software usage to FOSS.
But Vivaldi as a policy tries to be accepting of and compatible with anything and everyone, insofar as humanly possible. I think it may genuinely one of only two browsers compatible with as many as thirteen platforms, and specifically designed for cars. So "hate" is not in its DNA.
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@grgosilovic I wouldn't take user opinions as the company's opinion. That being said, Apple hasn't made it easy for competitors to succeed. They impose so many restrictions and impede Vivaldi (in this case) from succeeding.
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Well, I sure feel a lot more familiar with the matter now. I didn't think so much about it before, but yeah other companies don't really do what Apple does. I always thought that well, Big Tech is all the same and Google is as guilty as Apple but I guess I understand it a bit better now.
On the other hand, Apple is a company, privately held. They can make their products how they feel is best. And who can blame them? You know? Nobody is forced to use it. Their idea of a good product is this, I forgot the name, closed-system or something.
Thank you for a interesting reply @Ayespy
@RiveDroite said in You're holding it wrong!:
@grgosilovic I wouldn't take user opinions as the company's opinion. That being said, Apple hasn't made it easy for competitors to succeed. They impose so many restrictions and impede Vivaldi (in this case) from succeeding.
I suppose that's true. But I still believe they can make their software the way they like.
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@grgosilovic I think you're getting it. But this closed system is not actually a route to product quality, but an anti-competitive form of price support. It seeks to restrict supply (by ensuring only one source is available) so that if you want the product, you have to pay the price of the single producer. This means they can make more money while producing less and keep their stock prices sky-high. The EU is not too keen on this manner of profit-taking, and so legislates against it.
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@Ayespy, resuming, if Apple release a car, it will be a nice one, not cheap, but nice. But you must buy wheels and engine apart and only can use special fuel from Apple.
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@Catweazle Further, you will only be able to use Apple windshield wipers, Apple light bulbs, Apple sunshades, Apple sound system, Apple steering wheel cover, etc. Because those that work with other cars will be incompatible.
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@Ayespy, is mainly the Apple business model the reason why I never would buy an Apple product, not because these are bad products. But Apple products are from Apple and never really from the user.
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@Catweazle exactly the same for me!
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Someone has deemed my post, published 28 days ago, to be defamatory or contrary to the author of the blog post and has removed it, but has not contacted me to let me know why they think that.
This is not a nice development. I don't mind my personal opinion being deleted. My position on the inappropriateness of the comparison used remains unchanged. Rhetorical question: is such a policy of silent deletion/gagging necessary? I don't think we need it. Let the author of this decision email me privately, I'd be happy to discuss it. Kind regards,