You're holding it wrong!
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@yngve at this point I don't even know which bugs I've filed.
But: there is a bug where you try to close a tab in the background and suddenly all the tabs become irresponsive. Opening and closing tabs doesn't reflect anything in the tab bar and I have to close Vivaldi. This bug has been present for years.
I've used Opera extensively. I've used Edge extensively. I've used Chrome for over a decade. Same extensions on all of them.
I can't even remember the last time I saw a bug on Chrome, let alone the dozen every day I encounter on Vivaldi.
And it's now just PC. The Android version of Vivaldi is incredibly buggy. The latest update has been causing pages to regularly crash, and the UI is very slow and unresponsive.
If Opera made their browser utilize the Custom Tabs API, I would switch in a heartbeat. And every day I am more drawn towards going back to Chrome as my daily driver.
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@Aashishkebab
Hi, almost all your reports are closed as "Cant reproduce".
I found two open reports:
VB-99368
Entire browser crashing when dragging tab to new window
VB-103006
Tabs will randomly disappear and no new tabs will show up in the tab bar
I cant reproduce both.
Chrome extensions can cause a lot of issues in Vivaldi, the developers rarely test in Vivaldi.
The most tester and developer test in a clean profile, create one, close all tabs, install and change nothing, try to reproduce your issues.Cheers, mib
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@Aashishkebab In many cases we either lack information to reproduce, or we don't even have access to what is needed to reproduce.
Sometimes figuring out what is wrong requires extensive assistance from those who experience the issues.
In the past half year, I have been involved with two cases, here in the forums, where the reporters was able to either pinpoint the detail that was causing the problem (and we could fix the problem because we could create a minimal testcase reproducing the problem), or provided the information needed to see what cause the problem, and we think the fix for one of those was released earlier today in a minor update. Both of those required extensive effort over several days or weeks by the reporters to discover the problem, but because they did put in that effort we were able to solve the problems.
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@mib2berlin I've had these issues in private windows. It is not the extensions.
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@Aashishkebab
The clean profile is not only to sort out extensions, the private window use your default profile.
For example, some user downgrade Vivaldi because they have issues after an update.
This break the user profile, at least it is not clean anymore, the second best is to create a test profile.
The best is to install Vivaldi as standalone install, this is completely independent of your existing install.
We just want to help you and other user to get a better experience with Vivaldi.
At moment your experience is rather bad.
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@Aashishkebab, to rule out extensions and setting you need to use a guest or new profile, a private windows don't rule out settings and some extensions. The only thing a private window do is that it don't store locally your browsing data (cookies, serviceworkers, cache, etc)
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@mib2berlin this would make sense except that it happens on all my computers. And I've created a new profile more times than I can count trying to fix Vivaldi.
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@Aashishkebab
Then I am out of ideas, nobody from the developers and testers can reproduce your reports.Mib
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@mib2berlin right because they don't happen consistently. So I can't give you a consistent reproduction.
I've posted about them on Reddit and many have said they've encountered the same issues.
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@Aashishkebab I'm afraid @mib2berlin is correct.
I run 3 different versions of Vivaldi (stable, snapshot and nightly test version) on 12 different systems Android phone, Android tablet, Win10 64 (3 different machines), Win10 X86, Win11 64 (5 different machines), Linux Mint 64, and can't get it to misbehave the way you somehow can. This may be partly due to the fact that I use no modifications or extensions. I do run the email client on nearly every non-mobile system. But somehow, it just works. The oldest machine is an old Core2 Quad from 2009 and the newest, I picked up in October - runs a Core I=i7 13700 3ith 32GB DDR4 RAM.
And none of these have the problems you have - in spite of the fact that I intentionally look for bugs I can report and help to get fixed.
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@Ayespy you're telling me you've never faced issues with the tab bar?
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@Aashishkebab Such as?
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@Ayespy where the tab bar will suddenly stop reflecting the current tabs, and you can no longer close them except with keyboard shortcuts?
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@Aashishkebab No. Never seen that.
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@Aashishkebab said in You're holding it wrong!:
@yngve at this point I don't even know which bugs I've filed.
But: there is a bug where you try to close a tab in the background and suddenly all the tabs become irresponsive. Opening and closing tabs doesn't reflect anything in the tab bar and I have to close Vivaldi. This bug has been present for years.
I've used Opera extensively. I've used Edge extensively. I've used Chrome for over a decade. Same extensions on all of them.
I can't even remember the last time I saw a bug on Chrome, let alone the dozen every day I encounter on Vivaldi.
And it's now just PC. The Android version of Vivaldi is incredibly buggy. The latest update has been causing pages to regularly crash, and the UI is very slow and unresponsive.
If Opera made their browser utilize the Custom Tabs API, I would switch in a heartbeat. And every day I am more drawn towards going back to Chrome as my daily driver.
I have this exact issue. It tends to occur on websites with heavy ad loads, with one example I’ve seen it happen on multiple times being the New York Post.
Basically, I’ll try to close the tab and the tab close mechanism will hang for a second until it’s done. It appears to be an issue with an out-of-control process on an ad-heavy page. If I turn off the ads, that helps, but it appears to be an aggressive ad issue.
I was able to recreate the issue just now by going to the New York Post and turning back on the ads.
Also, confirming that I’ve also seen issues with Android, particularly around the browser-bar UI, which tends to disappear when scrolling.
I would encourage the mods here to not discount issues like these because they can be very difficult to nail down, but they do affect end-user quality of life.
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What's up with all the Apple hate?
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@grgosilovic So how long have you been a Vivaldi user?
I note that you have been a member of the Vivaldi community for 17 minutes and seem to have formed the opinion that someone here "hates" Apple. What do you think of Vivaldi?
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5 months, and I love Vivaldi so so much. Sorry if I am mistaken, I've been reading Vivaldi blog for a couple months now and I know they are against Big Tech but they seem to be talking against Apple more than against other companies. Not defending Apple or Big Tech here, just not sure why single them out.
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@grgosilovic Well, as to the forums, "they" are for the most part users, not Vivaldi per se. And users have their likes and dislikes.
Vivaldi management does not take kindly to companies that impede their growth and survival, and Apple does this. Apple, as a business strategy, is inimical to all-things-not-apple, as manifested in their intentional and targeted practice of ensuring that nothing not-apple is allowed to co-exist with apple (you can't install not-apple software on apple hardware, you can't use non-Apple branded hardware with apple hardware, you can't use a non-apple-based browser on iOS, etc.) This impedes the expansion of non-apple things into apple spaces. They have also manifested this in how they have "implemented" anti-exclusionist EU law - so that they can still make money off of anyone, for instance, who wants to provide apps outside the Apple store. So when someone holds themselves separate from and apart from you, and uses their position to make your life less easy, it's natural to resent them at least a little. There's probably some of that.
But otherwise, among the Vivaldi development staff, there are more MacOS users (and many more Linux users) than among the populace at large. So this would not be a case of ingrained hostility. It would be a reaction to being held at a disadvantage by Apple.
As to users, there are forum spaces dedicated to MacOS and iOS use and users, and there is otherwise more neglect than hostility. No one hates Apple. It either doesn't matter to them, or they use it, or they are somewhat non-plussed (even wryly amused) by its arrogant and non-inclusive approach to business. I think that attitude rubs off on their customers somewhat. Like my daughters have a mild contempt for my use of Android and Windows devices rather than their "superior" Mac and iOS devices - while I don't make fun of them for the devices they use, for the fact that none of their devices can use any of the many chargers I have handy, for the fact they can't install apps I find useful (and free), for the fact that some of their software is purposely obsoleted by their hardware provider (that hardware can't use pinterest any more, because a version of the app compatible for it is no longer made, and you can't access pinterest without the app.) so that you HAVE to buy new hardware.
Likewise I don't make fun of Linux users though they find me silly and stupid for not being conversant with Linux and not restricting all my software usage to FOSS.
But Vivaldi as a policy tries to be accepting of and compatible with anything and everyone, insofar as humanly possible. I think it may genuinely one of only two browsers compatible with as many as thirteen platforms, and specifically designed for cars. So "hate" is not in its DNA.
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@grgosilovic I wouldn't take user opinions as the company's opinion. That being said, Apple hasn't made it easy for competitors to succeed. They impose so many restrictions and impede Vivaldi (in this case) from succeeding.