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luetage

@nirin Dude, results need to be reproduceable. You don’t say what lists you are using, you give no further information. And youtube isn’t the only website on the web.

So I just created a new profile and made no further customisation than to enable the adblocker. I visited youtube and the latest Taylor Swift video, because I thought this should show ads ☛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3zqJs7JUCQ. No ads to see without any modifications.

I then turned off the internal adblocker and installed ublock lite (which will continue to work). I enabled everything I could within (complete blocking, check all block lists except country ones). Then I restarted Vivaldi and visited the Taylor video again. No ads.

The only thing I do for blocking on my computer besides Vivaldi is using a hosts file which runs on my operating system ☛ https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts

nirin

@luetage said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):

@nirin Dude, results need to be reproduceable. You don’t say what lists you are using, you give no further information. And youtube isn’t the only website on the web.

So I just created a new profile and made no further customisation than to enable the adblocker. I visited youtube and the latest Taylor Swift video, because I thought this should show ads ☛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3zqJs7JUCQ. No ads to see without any modifications.

I then turned off the internal adblocker and installed ublock lite (which will continue to work). I enabled everything I could within (complete blocking, check all block lists except country ones). Then I restarted Vivaldi and visited the Taylor video again. No ads.

The only thing I do for blocking on my computer besides Vivaldi is using a hosts file which runs on my operating system ☛ https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts

Interesting. Could be a regional thing?

Here, using a basic adblocker does not block youtube ads. It generally results in a black/blank screen with the buffering circle, and the title of the video being the name of the advert that is meant to be playing. This lasts for the length of the ad (at best) or runs indefinitely.

I have run tests with (vivaldi adblocker):

Default settings
Default settings + pete lowes
Default settings + Hagezi (tried Normal, and Pro, and Pro++, at different times).
Various combinations of the above
uBlock default lists (this doesn't work well with vivaldi at all, breaks all thumbnails and all sorts of other issues)
uBlock default lists + default settings (this didn't help matters).

And sure, youtube isn't the only website on the web.... it's just the biggest and most commonly used one (well, it's either that or reddit, I would assume youtube still rates higher though).
But ads on reddit are just inline, and easy to block. Any third-rate adblocker script can manage it. Youtube is actually difficult, and an actual test of an adblocker's capabilities.

I just disabled uBlock (which I had been using to watch youtube in the background, no ads at all for a long time), re-enabled Vivaldi adblock with the stock settings, and restarted the whole browser and reloaded the same video. Immediately started just playing adverts. No black screen or buffering, no block at all, it's just straight up playing the adverts lol.

Youtube may be running really old ad mechanisms in your country, I know they commonly roll out changes regionally, though their current setup for ads has been running for a long time now so I dunno how they haven't gotten to you yet.

Edit: Tried your taylor swift link. Immediate ads. Are you sure you're not running uBlock or some other extension? The behaviour on my end seems to be 'the norm' and expected behaviour, so something weird is happening on your end. Filter lists can't block current-gen youtube ads, without also blocking the video from playing. And vivaldi doesn't have anything but filter lists running.

Pesala

@nirin Standard uBlock Origin works fine for me on YouTube. However, I do see some ads on restarting Vivaldi. They disappear after a while. Close the YouTube tab, restart Vivaldi again, then reload the page, and the ads are gone.

One trick that often works is History Back, History Forward.

I had no joy with Vivaldi’s built-in ad-blocking for months.

mib2berlin

@nirin
Hi, are you logged in on YT for your tests?
In these long treads some user gets blocked with uBlock, meant no ad's but no streaming at all.
I guess blocking level depends on user behave too, heavy users gets more ad's and get blocked faster.

Cheers, mib

nirin

@Pesala said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):

@nirin Standard uBlock Origin works fine for me on YouTube. However, I do see some ads on restarting Vivaldi. They disappear after a while.

One trick that often works is History Back, History Forward.

I had no joy with Vivaldi’s built-in ad-blocking for months.

standard ublock origin works fine for me too. I don't see ads on restarting (but I also have the uBlock option which blocks network traffic until the lists have finished loading).

The problem is that uBlock won't work on vivaldi in a few months (maybe 1 year, if they stick to the longest possible timeframe, but no guarantee of that). So we'll be left with vivaldi adblock (which doesn't work).

Sure that's a year away. I may use vivaldi in the meantime. But Floorp+Sidebery is basically vivaldi with better vertical tabs and without the bloat. The only loss is the vivaldi android app is better than any of the firefox apps, and vivaldi is a bit more polished.

The whole manifest v3 thing is a real pain.

nirin

@mib2berlin said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):

@nirin
Hi, are you logged in on YT for your tests?
In these long treads some user gets blocked with uBlock, meant no ad's but no streaming at all.
I guess blocking level depends on user behave too, heavy users gets more ad's and get blocked faster.

Cheers, mib

Yes I'm always logged in. Doesn't effect it (for uBlock).

Not being logged in may be an explanation for why Vivaldi works for that other guy. If he's not logged in maybe youtube is feeding much simpler ads, and not the newer in-stream ads. Seems weird they use two systems, but it's not impossible.

However as I say, uBlock handles it fine, so if using Vivaldi means not being able to log into youtube then that still counts as a total failure unfortunately. Is a good thought though, may explain the difference.

mib2berlin

@nirin
The Vivaldi ad blocker cant compare with uBlock or others, they want to make it so before V3 hits the Chromium browsers.
I have a Prime Lite account for my main account and use V. ad blocker + Violentmonkey script for my trash account.
You cant imagine how fast Youtube is without ad blocking, that alone is worth 6€ a month.
ViolentMonkey get kicked with V3 too and a Firefox based browsers isn't a solution, YT simply block all Firefox users, haha.

Cheers, mib

Catweazle

I don't see ads in YT with the Vivaldi adblocker, none in the page and ads in the video are skipped. Only in some cases I see the No adblock warning, which are also skipped with an script I use.
Yes, the Vivaldi adblocker need some improvements, despite it works flawless in all sites with some issues only in YT, for which an userscript manager (I use LibertyBear) is a great complement.
Userscripts offer way more possibilities than any extension from the store, more in the near future.
Maybe Vivaldi can use an inbuild userscript manager in the future in the privacy settings, similar as with the ad and trackerblocker.

mib2berlin

@Catweazle
Hi, was I only guessing these user script extensions get problems with V3 too?
I read this somewhere but cant find it anymore.

Cheers, mib

Catweazle

@mib2berlin, we'll see it in the future, but anyway userscripts a way more flexible than extensions from the store, The limitation with Mv3 can affect the Scriptmanager extension, because of this I think that an inbuild one is a good idea. The main problem is to depend on the Chrome Store in extensions which are related to privacy and security and it's needed to become independent from the Chrome Store, at least with this kind of extensions.

nirin

@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:

I don't see ads in YT with the Vivaldi adblocker, none in the page and ads in the video are skipped. Only in some cases I see the No adblock warning, which are also skipped with an script I use.
Yes, the Vivaldi adblocker need some improvements, despite it works flawless in all sites with some issues only in YT, for which an userscript manager (I use LibertyBear) is a great complement.
Userscripts offer way more possibilities than any extension from the store, more in the near future.
Maybe Vivaldi can use an inbuild userscript manager in the future in the privacy settings, similar as with the ad and trackerblocker.

Youtube ads can't be skipped...

I'm suspecting some kind of regional difference here. Youtube ads have unskippable for a long time here. Or at best, some of the long 1min ads can be skipped after the first 10-15seconds.

On ublock I just don't get ads at all.

Catweazle

@nirin, maybe regional. I don't see ads, not in the page, nor in YT, ocassionlly they flashed up for less than a half second.
Only the Vivaldi blocker and userscript. Anyway also no ads with the video in embedded mode, independent from the region.

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nirin

@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:

@nirin, maybe regional. I don't see ads, not in the page, nor in YT, ocassionlly they flashed up for less than a half second.
Only the Vivaldi blocker and userscript. Anyway also no ads with the video in embedded mode, independent from the region.

Weird. None of those userscripts seem to have anything to do with ads.

And I've never seen the 'no ads on youtube' popup. Doesn't happen for me.

Shrug, I have no explanation, Vivaldi does not work for me using the same settings that you use. uBlock works everywhere. Until Vivaldi also works universally, it still isn't good enough to replace uBlock.

Catweazle

@nirin, the Vivaldi blocker certainly isn't so good as uBO, but good enough to do for what is for, the scripts are only for YT to complement what the Vivaldi blocker can't. In all other pages the Vivaldi blocker work flawless.

Only using the Vivaldi blocker in YT, the ads in the Videos are scipped and blocked all other ads in the page, but some Videos, mabe of the anti-adblock script YT use, show the adblock warning ocassionally, which is blocked by the FYT script, the redirect embed script works in the case you click on an Video URL.

I don't not longer trust privacy and security extensions from the Chrome Store, because of this I try to avoid these as much as possible. uBO in the near future from the store won't be the same as it is for the moment.

vdeane

@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:

@nirin, the Vivaldi blocker certainly isn't so good as uBO, but good enough to do for what is for, the scripts are only for YT to complement what the Vivaldi blocker can't. In all other pages the Vivaldi blocker work flawless.

Only using the Vivaldi blocker in YT, the ads in the Videos are scipped and blocked all other ads in the page, but some Videos, mabe of the anti-adblock script YT use, show the adblock warning ocassionally, which is blocked by the FYT script, the redirect embed script works in the case you click on an Video URL.

I don't not longer trust privacy and security extensions from the Chrome Store, because of this I try to avoid these as much as possible. uBO in the near future from the store won't be the same as it is for the moment.

I wouldn't say it's "flawless" on other sites, but YouTube is certainly the one with the greatest issues by far. There are sites like TV Tropes are able to adblock detect Vivaldi but not UBO, for instance. UBO is also able to take care of the "previews" in streaming services like Max and Paramount+ while Vivaldi can't, for instance. But YouTube is the only case I can think of where there was a difference between working flawlessly and not working at all. With 6.8, it's gone to a difference between flawlessly vs. a few annoyances when it doesn't catch the ad (fixed with a refresh), but at least it works overall. I could function with just Vivaldi (in fact, I do at present, but I have UBO installed but disabled just in case), but that's not to say that there isn't room for improvement.

Catweazle

@vdeane, there is always room for improvements, which are also needed, because the devs from Google and others it also do. It's a almost daily battle between adblockers and advertising companies. More in the future, because of this I don't longer trust in extensions from the store, using scripts is way more flexible and offers much more possibilities for the user than any extension. I think that with the Vivaldi adblocker, sure with improvements in the future + some good scripts we can tame this Google crap.

barbudo2005

@Catweazle

Said:

I don't not longer trust privacy and security extensions from the Chrome Store, because of this I try to avoid these as much as possible.

You continue to make assertions that have no solid basis.

uBO lite will continue to exist and will be the same and with the same reliability as always.

Said:

uBO in the near future from the store won't be the same as it is for the moment.

You continue to make assertions that have no solid basis.

uBO in the near future will simply not be in the Store according to the image below and the article in this link:

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate/mv2-deprecation-timeline

The only thing that will happen with the privacy and security extensions from the Chrome Store, is that they will be based on MV3, and if they were reliable from the point of view of privacy and security, they will remain so.

Be objective and don't try to transmit your inner fears to the forum users.

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, as yourself say, in the Chrome Store uBO, worse as in a "light" version, will not longer exist. That means that, or Vivaldi have to improve the own adblocker (what will ocurre for sure) or you have to upload uBO from other sources, or you have to search other solutions to get rid of the Google crap, what I'm doing. It's not to scare the users, I'm pointing out workarrounds for this, other than changing to other browsers (which in the future will have the same problems).
Sooner or later there will be no other way for Vivaldi to become independent of the Chrome Store.

barbudo2005

@Catweazle

Said:

...to other browsers (which in the future will have the same problems).

You continue to make assertions that are based on conjectures.

If Firefox continues to support MV2 or if it stops supporting it but its forks maintain it, then those browsers will continue to support UBO with its FULL capability. (A similar thing will happen for the Brave browser and its similar ones.)

Said:

Sooner or later there will be no other way for Vivaldi to become independent of the Chrome Store.

What does the Chrome Store have to do with Vivaldi blocking Ads and improving the power of its internal adblocker?

For all those extensions that will continue to be useful to replace the internal features, either to incorporate them when they are not present or to replace them when they are not powerful enough, the Chrome Store will continue to be useful without problems.

Logically, to block ads will not be necessary because of the internal adblocker.

So in neither of the 2 situations above, it makes any sense for Vivaldi to create its own store.

sdrocker

The update to Vivaldi Adblocker worked for about 24hrs on YouTube but now detected it and won't allow Ad Blockers again.

Using: Vivaldi 6.8.3381.53