Arching Floorpians

ybjrepnfr

@npro yes, i thought you'd be happy! heehee. pretty good, eh; two updates in two days! though, re its associated FF version, this surprised me:

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want the awesome local translation to be integrated natively as it is with the 118? 119? version

it's working nicely for me already [albeit ofc it would be nice if they greatly expanded* the available languages]:

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but maybe i've misunderstood what you really meant?

* one or two nightly versions ago we had the ability to >double the available languages, & i enabled them all. when i did yesterdays update to v122 i was sad to see that all those extra ones have been removed again, so now nightly's no better atm than floorp... haha, actually it's even worse, by one:

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npro

@ybjrepnfr 115.6... so it's not just up to date but way ahead lol

yeah actually I was a bit lazy, the integration of all Beta languages is missing, because with all those switches activated, the pop-up for those (Beta languages) does not... pop up, so you are left in the cold ...

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

one or two nightly versions ago we had the ability to >double the available languages, & i enabled them all. when i did yesterdays update to v122 i was sad to see that all those extra ones have been removed again, so now nightly's no better atm than floorp... haha, actually it's even worse, by one:

ybjrepnfr

woohoo, back to my original floorp profile, & thus, back to sidebery,

The latest Floorp update t'other day to 11.6.1 gave us that lovely new surprise gift, "Split-View", which is more or less a cool two-pane side-by-side tab-tiling function. Given that's the arrangement i use 95%+ of the time with the AO Tile Tabs WE [& also Vivaldi itself, btw], that AO is now essentially redundant, so i've disabled it. Today i realised some consequential matters:

When i created my current-til-now "Native" profile [TST + Floorp Workspaces] on 21/10, an important benefit was that TST works reliably with TTWE, whereas Sidebery does not.

My original Floorp "Daily" profile [Sidebery + NO Floorp Workspaces] had the benefit of Sidebery's incredible versatility & control, but the disadvantage of TTWE's "fragility" with Sidebery.

Now, since i no longer need to rely on TTWE for tiling, & given that whilst Tree Style Tab [& its companion] AOs are very good for all my tab management needs, i still miss Sidebery's superb tab management tools, so i realised today that i can now return to my original profile once again.

Even though this decision ipso facto means once more using Sidebery's "tab panels" instead of Floorp's native Workspaces [coz sidebery is incompatible with floorp's native workspaces; bad unhappy things happen when using both together], i'm happy to accept that constraint for all the other benefits that Sidebery gives me over TST [which ofc for years was my gold standard, til i discovered Sidebery].

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

woohoo, back to my original floorp profile, & thus, back to sidebery,

yep, sidebery could be (is) the best out there, it's really satisfying using it, and its awesome panels are containerized "workspaces" in a sense already. But, there are some problems with it, for example mouse gestures: Gesturefy's "close other/left/right tabs" closes all tabs from various panels . I haven't managed to solve that issue yet. And if one enables workspaces as a solution for that matter, then it becomes pretty messy, having to manage workspaces and panels. In that sense tst is probably better for me, despite really liking sidebery for its amazing tab (group) management. And maybe there's some hope in seeing it improving (like.. temporary=true as a tab group title, c'mon... sidebery solves it elegantly), now that it's considered - as you already said - somehow "official".

Also how do you use Split-View with just sidebery's vertical tab bar, I haven't seen a menu entry for that there (yet?)

Another prob is... if we start canceling "native" features [and using Firefox's hacks/methods (about:profiles, hiding native tabs with CSS etc)], then I can see an Arching Nightly Firefoxes thread coming

ybjrepnfr

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

Gesturefy's "close other/left/right tabs" closes all tabs from various panels . I haven't managed to solve that issue yet

ah, you see, i never encounter this problem [which i agree would be extremely annoying], coz i explicitly chose to not use that specific gesturefy mouse action. i use m/a via g all the time, but only a small subset of the total available:

this static pic looks silly coz its arrows imply opposite directions to reality, given many of my m/g are physically multi-stroke

instead, for bulk tab closing, i use that inbuilt functionality in tst &, now once more, in sidebery. the specific sidebery closure method that i most strongly missed with tst, is the single-action mmb click & swipe down the full range of contiguous tabs i wanna close, & bam, they're gone. it's so fab. similarly on a collapsed stack, via right-click on the cross icon of the group. tis off-topic here coz ain't related to closure, but another of the joyous sidebery functions i missed with tst is the elegant way to rapidly create a tab group/stack just by right-click & swipe over the desired range of contiguous tabs i wanna group, then clicking the group icon in the auto context menu that appears. it is so fabulous, & tbh it's all these examples & more that made me unable to keep loving vivaldi like i did for all the years from 2015, before i discovered tst & later sidebery.

if one enables workspaces as a solution for that matter, then it becomes pretty messy, having to manage workspaces and panels

omz, you should consider yourself extremely lucky if the worst outcome for you was just "messy", coz for me, both times i attempted to use sidebery AND floorp's native workspaces, it all turned to shit like i've written about before; very unreliable... unusable... & my second attempt was with building a clean profile. this was the exact reason that i have these two separate profiles [actually, four]:

...in which

Daily = sidebery + floorp's native workspaces DISabled

Native = tst + floorp's native workspaces ENabled [3 created]

temporary=true as a tab group title, c'mon

i know, right ... that's pretty amateurish, compared to sidebery's elegance as you rightly say.

how do you use Split-View with just sidebery's vertical tab bar

ah, no no, that's not what i do. remember up above i mentioned that i have developed my "workaround#2"... that was for my Floorp_Native profile [ie, tst]. well, since jumping back now to my Daily profile [ie, sidebery] i have continued using workaround#2:

so for all my daily moment-to-moment browsing, i'm using sidebery + my webpanels, both on the lhs. when i, less frequently, need to tile two tabs via our whizzy new Split View feature, i temporarily focus my attention on the browser rhs; select the two target tabs in floorp's native vertical tabs strip, invoke the context menu, enable the split:

I can see an Arching Nightly Firefoxes thread coming

oh you beauty! what a ripper idea... i now fully expect that within the next 24 hours you will have created this new thread for us!

npro

@npro @ybjrepnfr do you happen to know the reasoning behind this decision (i.e. removing the beta languages from the face of the earth)? I searched in various nightly blogs & notes but couldn't find any info

ybjrepnfr

@npro no i have seen nothing about it. it was pure accident that i discovered it [given since changing to floorp i only occasionally fire up nightly nowadays]. i also subscribe to nightly notes & nightly news rss channels, but they've not mentioned it either.

haha, panic over. i just launched it, then relaunched it for the latest update, then checked. they're ba-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

they're ba-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

lol what the heck

ybjrepnfr

@npro heehee. ofc this does not help us yet for floorp, but it does imply at least some hope that a future esr ergo floorp update, might give us these extra goodies.

npro

@ybjrepnfr yeah we wants it! We needs it, damnit!

ybjrepnfr

@npro it's times like this i really wish i had some dev skills [ofc i have NONE], coz it is such a lovely idea to me to have a fork of nightly with floorp's panel & other goodies.

npro

https://safereddit.com/r/Floorp/comments/17yxuvk/about_lightning_build/

"About lightning build
Floorp Lightning version will be discontinued.

This is because the cost is prohibitive and there is no prospect of future development. Floorp will continue to be just Floorp.

We are planning a major overhaul of the settings in Floorp 12, and will be introducing various improvements."

Sounds & to me.

ybjrepnfr

@npro yes, noted that too, & rubbed my hands together in glee.

presumably this won't be that, but even so, am wondering if we're soon to get another incremental update?

npro

@ybjrepnfr maybe... but that seems very minor.

ybjrepnfr

@npro yes, but via increments we eventually get...

to Infinity and Beyond!

oh, also...

npro

@ybjrepnfr

oh, also...

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ybjrepnfr

@npro

@jane-n please reconsider this ludicrous decision.

npro

So according to https://safereddit.com/r/Floorp/comments/16ufyas/make_sidebery_panes_persist_across_windows/ sidebery + workspaces = too difficult

ybjrepnfr

@npro well, i mean, i have been kinda sorta writing, at least twice here iirc, that sideberry & floorp is very buggy IF also using floorp's native workspaces. the combos that do work fine are:

sideberry + floorp with NO workspaces [ie, use sidebery's multiple tabs panels instead]
tst + floorp with floorp's native workspaces