Extremely slow performance since upgrade
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@pfine
How do you run Vivaldi before this start, my last test was a 700 tab session in two workspaces and two windows for 6 days but this was Vivaldi 6.2.
I can test again but not for some days, I shutdown my systems if I don't need it or at least send them to sleep.
We have enough CO₂ on the planet.Cheers, mib
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@mib3berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
Hm no idea, some user use Vivaldi for Years get performance problems and test Edge which is rarely used and compare.
Some downgrade Vivaldi and don't realize they break there profile and so forth.
I disabled Avast on a friends PC because it block to add any mail accounts but you can add accounts with Microsoft Mail.
I removed the crap and Vivaldi was 50% faster.
All security software "whitelist" the major browser by default but not Vivaldi.
In my experience over the Years we get such reports after every update, some was real Vivaldi bug's but mostly we could solve it with simple steps.Cheers, mib
Yes, of course. Like I said, in certain cases it might be caused by AV or some profile corruption. I myself had a problem with Vivaldi starting to malfunction because my profile was corrupted, so I did a complete reinstall of Viv 6.1, and it worked quite good. But the problem started after upgrading to 6.4, so do we keep needing to reinstall Vivaldi? Clearly this is not the solution.
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@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Yes I tried this. It seemed to help for awhile but the end result is the same requiring me to kill and restart the browser after performance slows.
I have now also tried it, it doesn't seem to break anything which is cool. I must say Vivaldi feels a bit more snappy, but I wonder what will happen if I leave it in memory and my laptop comes back out of standby again.
@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
To underscore the point being made by @RasheedHolland - In Edge now I am running a 100% identical environment, same tabs, same workspaces, same extensions... no performance rot. Interestingly the reported performance profile is very similar, same amount of RAM in use and most of the processes running in efficiency mode. It could be because of some specific mix of Windows/ gpu/ hardware but there is something wrong with Vivaldi.
Yes, exactly my point. If other browser don't suffer from the same problems with the exact same configuration and hardware, then the problem lies with Vivaldi. If I'm correct, Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink, so this should be optimized for performance.
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I know what you mean. Switching to another browser is no option for me though because of certain features that are unique to Vivaldi.
Which features? I switched to a non-chromium browser that is still in its infancy (Midori, a firefox fork) but it has a lot of features that I've only seen in Vivaldi. Workspaces, high customization, excellent vertical tab support, minimalist UI. Feels almost like a non-chromium Vivaldi clone honestly. It has profiles, but the implementation is currently pretty janky. Overall, I've been happy with it even if they have next to no useful information on their website. I'll take some random oddities over the performance slowdowns I've been getting on Vivaldi
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink
More an electron app with its own patched chromium/blink to do things vanilla chromes can't do. Is not a mere shell. But some areas have a lot of room for improvements.
@agent4054 Several browsers took inspiration from vivaldi recent features. I think is a good for the project as it means this browser counts even without its own user agent, after all.
Most browsers, if not all, broke the strict bound with their community. That is bad.
If they are implementing new things in probably due vivaldi. -
@agent4054 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I know what you mean. Switching to another browser is no option for me though because of certain features that are unique to Vivaldi.
Which features? I switched to a non-chromium browser that is still in its infancy (Midori, a firefox fork) but it has a lot of features that I've only seen in Vivaldi. Workspaces, high customization, excellent vertical tab support, minimalist UI. Feels almost like a non-chromium Vivaldi clone honestly. It has profiles, but the implementation is currently pretty janky. Overall, I've been happy with it even if they have next to no useful information on their website. I'll take some random oddities over the performance slowdowns I've been getting on Vivaldi
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
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@Hadden89 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink
More an electron app with its own patched chromium/blink to do things vanilla chromes can't do. Is not a mere shell. But some areas have a lot of room for improvements.
Yes, I didn't know how to describe it, it's indeed not like Maxthon back in the days which was a ''simple'' shell around Internet Explorer. But the point is that I believe Vivaldi itself should be improved, regardless of the Chromium framework and Blink engine. Same goes for Brave, Opera and Edge who are also Chromium based of course. They seem to be more optimized. So perhaps the problems lies in Electron.
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@RasheedHolland Clearly being an app has its performance drawbacks, but shouldn't be so severe as the ones you experience.
I used Maxthon for an year or more. Nice browser, probably a bit extreme with its later triple engine (which also caused glitches due over-complexity over the time)
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
Currently in Midori without extensions: No tab stacking yet, tab bar can be put at the bottom (and other places), no tab-based bookmark manager but there is a bookmark sidebar, double click to close tabs works, no mouse gestures. So about half I guess.
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@Hadden89 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland Clearly being an app has its performance drawbacks, but shouldn't be so severe as the ones you experience.
I used Maxthon for an year or more. Nice browser, probably a bit extreme with its later triple engine (which also caused glitches due over-complexity over the time)No you're right, it shouldn't be as severe, that's my point. Vivaldi clearly needs some optimizing, so that it can work smoothly on all or most systems, similar to other Chromium browsers. There isn't anything special about my Lenovo laptop (Intel Core i5 10th gen, Intel UHD Graphics, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD).
About Maxthon, I used it from 2003-2006, it introduced me to tab-based browsing and it had an adblocker, the problem was that extensions weren't that advanced. So I switched to Opera 9 or 10. When Opera 12 (Presto engine) development was stopped, I had to switch to Firefox which I hated, because it took 20 seconds to start up. So I was glad when Vivaldi was launched. That's why I think it's a pity that many people have these performance problems. Remember, most people won't bother to report it, they will simply switch back to Chrome, Edge or Firefox.
BTW, can you guys take a look at this request? I feel like this should be basic functionality.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/84287/how-about-a-mouse-gesture-for-tab-stacking/22
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@agent4054 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
Currently in Midori without extensions: No tab stacking yet, tab bar can be put at the bottom (and other places), no tab-based bookmark manager but there is a bookmark sidebar, double click to close tabs works, no mouse gestures. So about half I guess.
Exactly my point. Firefox, Edge and Chrome are all crap to me. I consider this stuff basic functionality that should be built-in. In Edge I had to download an extension to stop it from shutting down when you close the last tab, are these guys for real?
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
so that it can work smoothly on all or most systems, similar to other Chromium browsers.
In other words, duplicate the work of hundreds of Google developers and eliminate the Vivaldi UI layer that makes it customizable?
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@Ayespy said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
so that it can work smoothly on all or most systems, similar to other Chromium browsers.
In other words, duplicate the work of hundreds of Google developers and eliminate the Vivaldi UI layer that makes it customizable?
Where did you get this from? I'm saying it's the Vivaldi UI layer that needs to get improved, because it's clearly not Chromium which is the problem. Well, this is not entirely true, because Chromium causes a lot of RAM usage of course, you see this in other Chromium browsers as well.
But the performance problems that many people have is clearly caused by Vivaldi's shell (or Electron app), whatever you want to call it, it is not designed correctly, it's not optimized. If I was in charge of Vivaldi's development team, I would not find this acceptable.
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@TiLT said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I haven't noticed general slowdown since the last big update, but I have noticed that new tabs gradually take longer and longer to open. Whether I'm opening a blank tab or opening a link in a new tab, this will have noticeable lag after a few days, eventually lagging for an entire second or more. Restarting the browser fixes the issue temporarily. I first noticed this problem after, ironically, the update that was supposed to make new tabs open faster.
Same over here, I wonder what your system specs are and is this Win 10 or 11? I'm also not using my Nvidia GPU on this laptop, so this is with Intel UHD Graphics. After restart things go a bit more smoothly, but after an hour or so, tabs opening will become slow again and extension menus will become even slower to open.
And I'm afraid I have same bad news, because the possible workarounds didn't help. Disabling ''hardware acceleration'' and ''efficiency mode'' didn't fix anything. And with me it's even worse because Vivaldi can't close normally, I have to kill it cause it keeps hanging. So I'm afraid I will have to do a complete reinstall of Viv 6.1 and I won't be upgrading anytime soon.
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@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
There are >>12<< unique complaints of performance problems in this thread alone, how many are needed before team Vivaldi takes this seriously?
Guess I'll add my name to the list, too. The problem only started after I updated from 6.1 to 6.4 (I skipped in between).
Security software isn't the culprit (it's disabled, except Windows Defender). I tried disabling the efficiency mode with that command line flag but it didn't help. Tried disabling hardware acceleration; didn't help.
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Same problems here: Since an update early september, the performance gradually degrades over time.
Opening and closing tabs gets very sluggish (up to multiple seconds) and Vivaldi has to be restarted. Killing it's processes manually is required as they still hang around after closing the app.
Also, the autocomplete in the address bar is very slow (loading of history). And since the latest update, the browser also start to lag when submitting text in the url bar.
Solutions tried: clearing the history, turning off efficiency mode, turning off HW acceleration. Nothing works.
I do have a lot of tabs open (most hibernated) but my computer is not a potato and Vivaldi was coping fine before 6.2.
The main change in 6.2 according to the blog is the enabling by default of “Browser windows in Portal” which was previously an experimental feature.
Is there a way to disable this feature in order to test and see if the problem is somehow related?
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@OxygenRider
Hi you cant disable “Browser windows in Portal” but it only influence the performance of open new windows not tabs or other feature like the handling of the history file, for example.
I am testing a 300 tab session now for one day and will let it run for some days.Cheers, mib
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@mib3berlin
Hi, I think the "other feature like the handling of the history file" might be be worth looking into.The URL autocomplete populates it's results from reading the history. Doesn't opening and closing tabs also imply writing to the history?
Slow interactions with the history could be the culprit.
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@OxygenRider
Some user report disable history in the address bar priority list solve the address bar issue.
No idea if this make tabs open fast again.
I can open 20 tabs in two second but I have only a 3 month history since ever. -
@mib3berlin
Disabling "history in the address bar priority" does solve the autocomplete lag but it does nothing for the tabs. Nor should it. It only shows that there is a problem with the way history is read to populate the autocomplete.To check if the problem with the tabs is also related to history one would need a way to audit interactions made with history when opening and closing tabs (or temporarily disable them).
