Extremely slow performance since upgrade
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@pfine And Vivaldi is blazing fast here. Shame you weren't able to troubleshoot your setup and find why it was so slow.
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@agent4054 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I finally got fed up with the slowdowns.
I'm now at a point where I am looking for alternate browsers. Will come back to Vivaldi in a year in hopes they ironed out the kinks by then. I hate this because I had fallen head over heels for this browser. Best vertical tab experience by a mile. But I am losing brain cells on troubleshooting this performance issue. Wake me when it's fast again. P.S. The switch to Chromium was a bad idea
I know what you mean. Switching to another browser is no option for me though because of certain features that are unique to Vivaldi.
I've read all of the thread and some people have it even worse than me. For me Vivaldi 6.1 was OK, but since upgrading to Viv 6.4 the slowdown started, I have also opened a new thread, see link.
I see the slowndown and sluggishness when opening tabs and opening extension menus for example. Vivaldi also hangs in memory when closing, so I have to kill it via Process Explorer, this never happened to me before. I have for now tried some of the tips from this thread, let's see how things go.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/92124/vivaldi-6-4-feels-less-snappy/
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@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Glad more are coming out of the wood work, starting to look more like a pattern and not just one offs... Just to reiterate, NONE of these problems existed before 6.2. It can't be all "our fault" when everything was fine prior. Happy to debug, log, grind down to find the root cause, but asking users to completely change their habits that were never a problem before, just isn't reasonable. I may just go back to 6.1.3035 for awhile until this build settles down.
Yes I agree, I also don't think it's a problem with security tools. Because the problems often start after upgrading Vivaldi, so there must be something wrong with 6.2 and 6.4.
I don't use Workspaces, Email and Calendar features and use 8 extensions. Most of the time I have about 50 tabs open and I do use the Memory Saver function (vivaldi://settings/performance).
My security tools are Windows Defender, SpyShelter and AppCheck, normally they shouldn't interfere with Vivaldi. I believe that Vivaldi developers should fix their code, Vivaldi should be able to work just fine on Win 10 and 11, on any Intel or AMD X86 machine. Edge and Firefox are way more snappy.
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@RasheedHolland
Hi, the issues with security tools are mostly because of an Vivaldi update.
Many security software "think" Vivaldi is unknown and block it or check every Vivaldi process.
This slows down Vivaldi to dead.
I have no performance issues on several systems with Defender only, Vivaldi is as fast as Chrome, Edge or Opera.Cheers, mib
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@mib3berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
Hi, the issues with security tools are mostly because of an Vivaldi update.
Many security software "think" Vivaldi is unknown and block it or check every Vivaldi process.
This slows down Vivaldi to dead.
I have no performance issues on several systems with Defender only, Vivaldi is as fast as Chrome, Edge or Opera.Cheers, mib
No, you're talking about something else.
I'm not saying that problems are never caused by security tools, but if I read this thread, I get the impression that overall it's caused by Vivaldi's design itself. Yes sure, it performs quite well on many systems, but how come that everyone that complains about Vivaldi being sluggish doesn't have the same problem with Edge, Chrome, Opera, Brave and Firefox/Waterfox?
And like I said, my security software really isn't the problem, they don't interfere with Vivaldi. But I'm starting to wonder if one of the reasons is hardware acceleration (Intel UHD Graphics), I have disabled it to see how things go. But it's too early to tell, most of the time Vivaldi will become sluggish if it's an hour or so in memory.
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@RasheedHolland
Hm no idea, some user use Vivaldi for Years get performance problems and test Edge which is rarely used and compare.
Some downgrade Vivaldi and don't realize they break there profile and so forth.
I disabled Avast on a friends PC because it block to add any mail accounts but you can add accounts with Microsoft Mail.
I removed the crap and Vivaldi was 50% faster.
All security software "whitelist" the major browser by default but not Vivaldi.
In my experience over the Years we get such reports after every update, some was real Vivaldi bug's but mostly we could solve it with simple steps.Cheers, mib
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To underscore the point being made by @RasheedHolland - In Edge now I am running a 100% identical environment, same tabs, same workspaces, same extensions... no performance rot. Interestingly the reported performance profile is very similar, same amount of RAM in use and most of the processes running in efficiency mode. It could be because of some specific mix of Windows/ gpu/ hardware but there is something wrong with Vivaldi.
There are >>12<< unique complaints of performance problems in this thread alone, how many are needed before team Vivaldi takes this seriously?
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@pfine
Because we had the same 12 or more complains for Vivaldi 6.2, 6.1 and so forth.
Some are real bugs, user with a long history (Years) and 10000 bookmarks.
To my knowledge the bookmark issues are fixed for example.
Some user report the efficiency mode kill Vivaldi performance, it does not change anything in my systems but you could try.
Edit your Vivaldi desktop shortcut and add:
--disable-features=UseEcoQoSForBackgroundProcessThis is an example:
Chrome extensions work fine in Chrome and Edge but not in Vivaldi, no extension developer test this.
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Yes I tried this. It seemed to help for awhile but the end result is the same requiring me to kill and restart the browser after performance slows.
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@pfine
How do you run Vivaldi before this start, my last test was a 700 tab session in two workspaces and two windows for 6 days but this was Vivaldi 6.2.
I can test again but not for some days, I shutdown my systems if I don't need it or at least send them to sleep.
We have enough CO₂ on the planet.Cheers, mib
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@mib3berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
Hm no idea, some user use Vivaldi for Years get performance problems and test Edge which is rarely used and compare.
Some downgrade Vivaldi and don't realize they break there profile and so forth.
I disabled Avast on a friends PC because it block to add any mail accounts but you can add accounts with Microsoft Mail.
I removed the crap and Vivaldi was 50% faster.
All security software "whitelist" the major browser by default but not Vivaldi.
In my experience over the Years we get such reports after every update, some was real Vivaldi bug's but mostly we could solve it with simple steps.Cheers, mib
Yes, of course. Like I said, in certain cases it might be caused by AV or some profile corruption. I myself had a problem with Vivaldi starting to malfunction because my profile was corrupted, so I did a complete reinstall of Viv 6.1, and it worked quite good. But the problem started after upgrading to 6.4, so do we keep needing to reinstall Vivaldi? Clearly this is not the solution.
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@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Yes I tried this. It seemed to help for awhile but the end result is the same requiring me to kill and restart the browser after performance slows.
I have now also tried it, it doesn't seem to break anything which is cool. I must say Vivaldi feels a bit more snappy, but I wonder what will happen if I leave it in memory and my laptop comes back out of standby again.
@pfine said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
To underscore the point being made by @RasheedHolland - In Edge now I am running a 100% identical environment, same tabs, same workspaces, same extensions... no performance rot. Interestingly the reported performance profile is very similar, same amount of RAM in use and most of the processes running in efficiency mode. It could be because of some specific mix of Windows/ gpu/ hardware but there is something wrong with Vivaldi.
Yes, exactly my point. If other browser don't suffer from the same problems with the exact same configuration and hardware, then the problem lies with Vivaldi. If I'm correct, Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink, so this should be optimized for performance.
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I know what you mean. Switching to another browser is no option for me though because of certain features that are unique to Vivaldi.
Which features? I switched to a non-chromium browser that is still in its infancy (Midori, a firefox fork) but it has a lot of features that I've only seen in Vivaldi. Workspaces, high customization, excellent vertical tab support, minimalist UI. Feels almost like a non-chromium Vivaldi clone honestly. It has profiles, but the implementation is currently pretty janky. Overall, I've been happy with it even if they have next to no useful information on their website. I'll take some random oddities over the performance slowdowns I've been getting on Vivaldi
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink
More an electron app with its own patched chromium/blink to do things vanilla chromes can't do. Is not a mere shell. But some areas have a lot of room for improvements.
@agent4054 Several browsers took inspiration from vivaldi recent features. I think is a good for the project as it means this browser counts even without its own user agent, after all.
Most browsers, if not all, broke the strict bound with their community. That is bad.
If they are implementing new things in probably due vivaldi. -
@agent4054 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I know what you mean. Switching to another browser is no option for me though because of certain features that are unique to Vivaldi.
Which features? I switched to a non-chromium browser that is still in its infancy (Midori, a firefox fork) but it has a lot of features that I've only seen in Vivaldi. Workspaces, high customization, excellent vertical tab support, minimalist UI. Feels almost like a non-chromium Vivaldi clone honestly. It has profiles, but the implementation is currently pretty janky. Overall, I've been happy with it even if they have next to no useful information on their website. I'll take some random oddities over the performance slowdowns I've been getting on Vivaldi
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
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@Hadden89 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Vivaldi is basically a shell around Chromium/Blink
More an electron app with its own patched chromium/blink to do things vanilla chromes can't do. Is not a mere shell. But some areas have a lot of room for improvements.
Yes, I didn't know how to describe it, it's indeed not like Maxthon back in the days which was a ''simple'' shell around Internet Explorer. But the point is that I believe Vivaldi itself should be improved, regardless of the Chromium framework and Blink engine. Same goes for Brave, Opera and Edge who are also Chromium based of course. They seem to be more optimized. So perhaps the problems lies in Electron.
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@RasheedHolland Clearly being an app has its performance drawbacks, but shouldn't be so severe as the ones you experience.
I used Maxthon for an year or more. Nice browser, probably a bit extreme with its later triple engine (which also caused glitches due over-complexity over the time)
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
Currently in Midori without extensions: No tab stacking yet, tab bar can be put at the bottom (and other places), no tab-based bookmark manager but there is a bookmark sidebar, double click to close tabs works, no mouse gestures. So about half I guess.
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@Hadden89 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland Clearly being an app has its performance drawbacks, but shouldn't be so severe as the ones you experience.
I used Maxthon for an year or more. Nice browser, probably a bit extreme with its later triple engine (which also caused glitches due over-complexity over the time)No you're right, it shouldn't be as severe, that's my point. Vivaldi clearly needs some optimizing, so that it can work smoothly on all or most systems, similar to other Chromium browsers. There isn't anything special about my Lenovo laptop (Intel Core i5 10th gen, Intel UHD Graphics, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD).
About Maxthon, I used it from 2003-2006, it introduced me to tab-based browsing and it had an adblocker, the problem was that extensions weren't that advanced. So I switched to Opera 9 or 10. When Opera 12 (Presto engine) development was stopped, I had to switch to Firefox which I hated, because it took 20 seconds to start up. So I was glad when Vivaldi was launched. That's why I think it's a pity that many people have these performance problems. Remember, most people won't bother to report it, they will simply switch back to Chrome, Edge or Firefox.
BTW, can you guys take a look at this request? I feel like this should be basic functionality.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/84287/how-about-a-mouse-gesture-for-tab-stacking/22
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@agent4054 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Features like tab stacking, the ability to put the tabbar on bottom of the screen. A handy, tab-based bookmark manager. Double click to close tabs and close tabs to right or left. Mouse gestures to scroll to top or bottom. These things aren't found in Edge and Firefox last time I checked. You probably need extensions for this stuff, what a joke.
Currently in Midori without extensions: No tab stacking yet, tab bar can be put at the bottom (and other places), no tab-based bookmark manager but there is a bookmark sidebar, double click to close tabs works, no mouse gestures. So about half I guess.
Exactly my point. Firefox, Edge and Chrome are all crap to me. I consider this stuff basic functionality that should be built-in. In Edge I had to download an extension to stop it from shutting down when you close the last tab, are these guys for real?
