Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home
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@Catweazle said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego , no, the extreme right uses the expression censored free speech, when they are criticized for hate speech and homophobic, xenophobic and sexist discrimination.
It's not the same.GAB is simply Facebook except for the fact that GAB takes the First Amendment to the United States Constitution seriously.
I prefer to do social media on such a site where freedom reigns.
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@treego , yes, that is what they say, because of this it's used by all kind of people banned in any other site.
Not so good for creating a healthy community of users all arround the globe, with different culture, colors, religions and sexual conditions. -
@Catweazle said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego , yes, that is what they say, because of this it's used by all kind of people banned in any other site.
Not so good for creating a healthy community of users all arround the globe, with different culture, colors, religions and sexual conditions.Gab is a very healthy community … people yearn to be free everywhere … it is my favorite place to post on anything…religion, politics, etc. My 1st Ammendment rights are wonderful on Gab.
I wish it were so on Vivaldi Social.
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In Mastodon, Bot attack is coming...
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@treego said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
My 1st Ammendment rights are wonderful on Gab.
I wish it were so on Vivaldi Social.Vivaldi Social is international and not forced to follow USA's constitution and its rights.
Iceland is where the Mastodon server is hosted.
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@DoctorG said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
My 1st Ammendment rights are wonderful on Gab.
I wish it were so on Vivaldi Social.Vivaldi Social is international and not forced to follow USA's constitution and its rights.
Iceland is where the Mastodon server is hosted.
Please check Icelands laws and you know, what you are allowed to do.My thoughts entirely... a USA citizen complaining - when outside of the USA sphere - that most of the world is somehow wrong because we have different (IMO higher) standards.
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@mossman That is always problem when people live in their cultural bubble and think their constitutional rights and their group or people are the best of the world.
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@treego No religious promotion, please!
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@DoctorG said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego No religious promotion, please!
You should respect the Code of Conduct of our community.You and others are commenting on GAB, and I thought you and others should have the record set straight about GAB -- that's all.
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@treego I commented about your whish to have unrestricted speech here, not more. Do not tell falsefacts.
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@treego I don’t see the problem. You have found a platform where you can post and share the ideas and topics dear to your heart, GAB. The new twitter 2.0 seems to be right up your alley too. You don’t need Vivaldi Social or Mastodon. You are obviously welcome to post about and discuss the browser itself here, but there is no way you could ever hope to change the rules and community guidelines Vivaldi values. Use the services as they are presented to you, nothing more is being asked of you.
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@DoctorG said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego I commented about your whish to have unrestricted speech here, not more. Do not tell falsefacts.
I don’t care about free speech here in this forum … I was hoping for free speech on Vivaldi Social like there is on Gab — even Twitter and Facebook allow more freedom of thought to be posted than Vivaldi Social I discovered very quickly.
You came into this discussion and Gab was part of the discussion at the time.
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@luetage said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:
@treego I don’t see the problem. You have found a platform where you can post and share the ideas and topics dear to your heart, GAB. The new twitter 2.0 seems to be right up your alley too. You don’t need Vivaldi Social or Mastodon. You are obviously welcome to post about and discuss the browser itself here, but there is no way you could ever hope to change the rules and community guidelines Vivaldi values. Use the services as they are presented to you, nothing more is being asked of you.
Fair Enough!
I know where Vivaldi stands now … and you hopefully understand more about my hopes that Vivaldi Social would be more free-wheeling like GAB and Twitter 2.0.
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Where Vivaldi stands is this: Promoting "happy, kind and constructive" community. These are values built in to the vivaldi.net community, and they are also values built in to the Vivaldi Mastodon instance. This naturally means that dishonest/untrue, angry, unkind, and/or hostile (to, literally, anyone) commentary will be unwelcome in both the vivaldi.net community and the Vivaldi Mastodon instance. This is both expected and entirely unsurprising.
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@DoctorG @mossman You're both missing the point. This isn't a USA vs rest-of-the-world thing. It's simply that Vivaldi's Mastodon instance is not a free speech zone. It doesn't have to be, it's private property: Vivaldi's house, Vivaldi's rules. If Vivaldi wanted to, they could make their Mastodon instance a free speech zone. But then they'd have to deal with the price of free speech: That people would be free to say angry, unkind, and hostile things (see Ayespy's post above).
There are already Mastodon instances which are free speech zones. People who want a free speech instance are free to use one. People who would rather not deal with angry, unkind, and hostile speech may use Vivaldi Social. That's what's nice about Mastodon: Different instances have different rules and approaches, so you can (hopefully) find the instance that works for you.
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@Eggcorn If users need the so called free speech without any rules they can join many platforms to do so.
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@DoctorG Yep, that sums up my post.
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@Eggcorn I was referring specifically to citizens of one country implying that their domestic legal rights have anything at all to do with the service being discussed - which of course they don't. Nor do they have anything to do with the vast majority of that services users, nor the users in question when dealing outside their domestic frame of reference. Your laws do not exist here!
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@doctorg: Very nice elephantsomamasoms! Mastodons please send more tips I can work on!
