Vivaldi lite
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Hi
When the browser has got to the point it takes half a second to opens settings, a second to open a new window, half a second to open a new tab, and a second or so to close a tab. One has to ask is the constant feature bloat worth it.
I started using vivaldi a few years ago, back then it felt like I had a very small performance hit for a big improvement in the horrible default chrome UI, since then a number of UI features have been added I feel are mostly not that useful but some of them have had a big performance impact, the biggest been this recent new theme feature, there was already a theme feature so not sure whats special about this one other than it wiped my old theme.
I hope this post is taken seriously, I know my previous ones on the UI havent been as instead of trying to fix the performance more UI stuff keeps been added and slowing it down even more, but I hope this time the feedback is taken seriously.
So my question is, is a vivaldi lite been considered feature frozen maybe to vivaldi 3 or vivaldi 4 features but just adding chrome engine updates to it, so it runs at a reasonable level of performance whilst still having compact address bar, and side tabs.
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@koil said in Vivaldi lite:
So my question is, is a vivaldi lite been considered feature frozen maybe to vivaldi 3 or vivaldi 4 features but just adding chrome engine updates to it, so it runs at a reasonable level of performance whilst still having compact address bar, and side tabs.
As i know such light version is not planned.
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More feedback.
When a page is loading background data, scrolling now stutters, vivaldi it seems can no longer handle background network requests at the same time as scrolling. This reminds me of the old firefox days where its garbage collection caused stutters. What has been changed on the threading model to cause this?
Also the new translator offers to translate this very forum, even though its in the same language as my configured desktop language (english).
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@koil But that is not related to your feature wish to get a "Vivaldi lite".
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I consider it related as a justifier, but I can fill the forum with new threads no problem.
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I suspect that a Vivaldi Lite version is a non-starter. It goes against the design philosophy of Vivaldi, which is to provide much more than a bare-bones browser. There are now over 5,000 feature requests, and lots of users getting frustrated that their favourite feature has not yet been implemented.
The only way that bugs will get fixed is by reporting them on the forum, trying to narrow down the likely cause, and providing a reproducible recipe to the bug-tracker.
New versions inevitably come with new bugs and issues, but they usually get resolved after some weeks.
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There are more than enough "lite" browsers. And nobody would be able to agree which 3 or 4 features would be the ones a lite version needs. And then the Vivaldi team would need to maintain two completely different versions. There is no business case here.
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if you need only some websites you can install them as pwa
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I totally agree that Vivaldi got extremly slow with last updates - not sure what exactly is causing these issues.
Even that slow that I am using a different browser to check for Vivaldi issues and to enter this reply
Although I like the fact that it has a lot of features right of the box but if they are causing these performance issues I'd agree to reduce them in whatever way. Maybe simply list them under settings and offer to disable whatever is not required by user.
Hopefully Vivaldi will return soon to it's previously known high performance.
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@cb288 Sometimes a Profile Refresh is helpful. Try making a new profile, and then importing your bookmarks, extensions, etc.
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IMO, A profile refresh is not useful because I lose all my history.
I set vivaldi to remember all my browsing history, as that has helped me in the past multiple times.
Sometimes people underestimate how useful is to search for some obscure sites that you visited 3 or 5 years ago.
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@thebestpessimist Then save the old profile folder (renamed), and copy the history file back into the new profile.
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@pesala said in Vivaldi lite:
I suspect that a Vivaldi Lite version is a non-starter. It goes against the design philosophy of Vivaldi, which is to provide much more than a bare-bones browser. There are now over 5,000 feature requests, and lots of users getting frustrated that their favourite feature has not yet been implemented.
The only way that bugs will get fixed is by reporting them on the forum, trying to narrow down the likely cause, and providing a reproducible recipe to the bug-tracker.
New versions inevitably come with new bugs and issues, but they usually get resolved after some weeks.
I have a question, I noticed when i filed the bug reports, the experience wasnt the same as when I file reports for other software.
Usually access to the bug tracker is given and visible access to responses from developers, but on vivaldi there is a comment presented that it first has to pass some kind of triage by testers and I am given no access to add further comments/updates to the bug report. This seems disappointing as if developers want to shield themselves from end users. Is there a way to get direct access to them?
Since I have no access to view the status of the bug report, and have had no response other than automated confirmation it feels as if its gone into a black hole.
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@koil There is no regular user access to the Vivaldi bug tracker. The founder of Vivaldi, Jon s. Von Tetzchner, has had a number of software development projects over multiple decades and has never provided access to the bug tracker for any of these. It is a business/workflow decision.
You are able to provide additional info on any bug by replying to the notice email you receive, and you are able to request the status of any bug, yours or anyone's, by posting here: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/27450/what-is-the-status-of-vb-already-reported-bug-issue
A tester with backstage access will update you.
Mods will help you as much as possible. Sometimes the developers even read at and post to the forum.
What's being protected is the work time and focus of a team that has only about nine or ten devs active on fixing bugs, all of whom also have regular development duties in refining or building new parts of the browser. There are an additional ten or fifteen developers who mostly just build or maintain, and don't leave task to fix bugs. We have a really large and active community. If nearly half of them were chiming in on and arguing about the items in the bug tracker, we would have chaos and slower, not faster, progress.
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Thank you for this information.
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As stated is against Vivaldi values to unbloat the browser, which is why I moved on years ago to simple and fast browsers.
They can't make everyone happy, and we are clearly not their target audience.
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Well, if you want a light version of Vivaldi, you can make your theme very minimal and hide a few buttons and sidebars. In terms of speed, if you have a lot of extensions, you can remove ones you don't need, having a lot of them may slow you down.
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So much drama.... there's a very easy way to run the Vivaldi Ultra Extra Lite edition. Just use
vivaldi-stable --disable-vivaldiin your terminal or add the switch to your executable path.No need to thank me.
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@Ayespy said in Vivaldi lite:
@thebestpessimist Then save the old profile folder (renamed), and copy the history file back into the new profile.
I think this is a good suggestion.
While I do suspect that Vivaldi's "slowdown" issues lately are not just because of "bad profiles" as a lot of people seem to have noticed them including myself, it's also not realistic in any computing context to just "save data forever" and not expect some sort of eventual performance impacts. (Especially if the system in question is not doing db queries against an external relational db, but keeping that data loaded continuously, as Vivaldi most likely is.)
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