Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available
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Hello!
I don't wan't to pollute this topic so I try to be short, but I rather agree with it, @guigirlguigirl.
Upcoming increasing difficulties is probably just a fact.
And also, it is not because I use a 32 bits computer that I find it a clever thing to do, but some have probably no choice, or some love it for collection or geek purpose, or else (I say it as non-geek and not-savvy at all to people who surely know more than me this scope).I've already been told this on another forum, and yet worse, advising me for example to buy a second hand 64 bits computer, for nowadays, prices came low. Which is a good idea if you have got 100 or 300 $/€ maybe. BUT I also answered that there is a mistake in this advice, that if you are a Linux user, there are odds that you hope for "a better world", and even 2nd hand, is it "better-world-like" to buy something that is low price because it has been built by exploitation, slavery and wars? (coltan, etc). So the price aspect should be "Try to save money to buy a small 1000$ 64b computer (the normal price?), I hope you can". So there are computers that try to be "ethical" and so on.
Another thing could be that time lost in computer slowness and extra software problems (like here there is a one), would be better employed in other more efficient actions for a "better world", and then it can be nonsense to stay on 32b if you can afford a 64b even with slavery, for with the time gained you can do some things much better than the trouble you caused with your purchase.(Hey you, it was not short!!)
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@guigirl said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
because sometimes one is simply never enough
... and other times one is all you can deal with
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I have the latest chromium running on my 32bit linux just fine.
What is the building issue they speak of..?The chromium codebase will still function after 30+releases even though they do not tell you as such.
People need to get this thirst for constantly updating out of their cerrebelum.
The "up to date" version of vivaldi we have now will be "out of date" in a couple of weeks time so this hysteria of updating is nonsense in my opinion,.
I unfortunately could not get 32bit vivaldi to install and run on my system now as i have distrohopped to another distro.
Version 3.7 will not suddenly become insecure or go pop if not updated. -
@vvduser Palemoon is a fork of an older gecko codebase, so the security concern may still exist; Basilisk is based on newer gecko code but still patched by a small devs community - so not officially endorsed with Mozilla - to retrieve the spirit of the classic firefox (full XUL extension support). Seamonkey is probably even heavier as it also have the mailer and still based (guess) on firefox quantum + thunderbird codebase.
I would miss too much an addon wich saves pages in 1 html file and lightens them too
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/onetab ?
browsers eats up memory and slows yet more everything, but more or less bearable for a few time.
Tweaking discard feature could help:
(for vivaldi/chromium)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/great discarder(for firefox)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-discard/ -
@eggcorn if that is the case then why is version 3.7 still available for download.?
With all due respect but your comment in regard to "catching a virus" with an older browser version is nonsense.
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@hadden89 said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
@vvduser Palemoon is a fork of an older gecko codebase, so the security concern may still exist; Basilisk is based on newer gecko code but still patched by a small devs community - so not officially endorsed with Mozilla - to retrieve the spirit of the classic firefox (full XUL extension support). Seamonkey is probably even heavier as it also have the mailer and still based (guess) on firefox quantum + thunderbird codebase.
My experience of SeaMonkey is that there is little difference in speed when compared to Firefox, Vivaldi or Chromium when running on a EEEPC 701 with 2 GB of RAM. Not much of a difference on a 901 with 2 GM of RAM. Relaxed but usable is the way I would describe browsing on such devices.
The one main advantage of SeaMonkey is that it comes with an email client, which, in my opinion has the best UI of all Linux email clients. Maybe with Evolution as a close second. The advantage of the email client being included in the SeaMonkey suite seems to be that once the browser is running the email client starts up more quickly and vice versa for the browser if the email client is already open. So if you are a user who closes and re-opens your applications often then SeaMonkey has a clear performance advantage.
Oh, and SeaMonkey has its tabs in the right place still.
The collapsible toolbars are also useful on small screen devices allowing you to keep say the navigation toolbar visible while maximising space for the content without going into full screen mode.As regards the idea of upgrading to a 64 bit computer I have struggled for a while now to find a 64 bit netbook with the same form factor as the first and second generation EEEPCs. Of the mini computers I have found most are way above the EUR 100 mark or are much smaller/bigger. My current attempt to find a replacement has taken me in the direction of a PinePhone with the soon to be released keyboard case. But that has a much smaller screen and keyboard and a distinctly less mature level of OS and application support.
In the meantime I have invested in a new battery for my EEEPC 901 to replace the original battery that started dying last year. It will keep me going until there are no x86 Linux/BSD distros to be found.
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I use puppy linux and it has a totally different philosophy to the mainstream distros.
It comes preinstalled with a ton of software in a relatively small package(300mb).
it is if you like a static operating system which receives no incremental updates running on a layered filesytem.(union/aufs.).
The secret weapon to puppy is the savefile,any downloaded rubbish or other unwanted stuff can be cleared upon reboot.
The only software which requires updating if you so wish is the browser although updating to every point release is in my opinion futile but of course it is the user's discretion if updates are applied.
It may be considered prudent to update and apparently "secure" you're browser but also server security must be attained also and it may surprise some to find that a large majority of sites are simply not secure.
I would be quite happy to use a so called out of date vivaldi although if the ciphers are still secure then i see no problem.
The mantra of puppy linux is if it isn't broken then why fix it.?
I have used puppy for a few years and i have never had a single security incident.I don't "need" a 64bit computer even though i have a dual-core processor as everything simply works as is.
Just my opinion of course,but this constant "i have to have the newest and shiny" does not apply to me or indeed many others.
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@priest72 New and shiny? Mainstream support for 64‐bit architecture in operating systems started some 15 years ago. I can understand users still wanting to stay on 32‐bit, but yeah, then you might have to use another browser instead of the “shiny” Vivaldi.
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@luetage I think you misunderstood my underlying message.
Again you have the "mainstream" mentality and i do not mean that in a disrespectful way.look at mint for example...nearly 2gb in size just for the download.!?..Seriously.!
Unfortunately the end user is simply not given a choice..Still a lot of people who wish to use a 32bit computer but sadly software developers seem to "know" better and just "assume" that 32bit users are non existent.
i am curious to know where the stats are to base this assumption on.
Now i have a 64bit puppy installed (fossapup) but the only "advantage" of that is a slightly more variation in which browser is available and besides that there is no ther advantage in using a 64bit version.
Security.?
Which security do they refer to.?
The chromium codebase per se apparently comes with multiple "security fixes" which may or may not apply to a lot of users.
I myself would be more concerned with network security as for example encryption when using financial sites although i have used older browsers for "some" sites and the encryption has been solid.Sometimes introducing a new guest to the party causes more chaos than it is worth..every update brings "new" code into the system.
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@guigirl
In none of my posts have i expounded an expression of passion in what is important to me.I am just exemplifying an instance where continually updating is simply not required.
just as a point of note browser code by it's very nature is perpetually insecure or countless fixes would not be necessary.
Not entirely certain how your rhetoric is helping the OP either but if you feel "passionate" about it then it is correct ..yes.?
Nothing sounds sweeter than one's own voice eh.?
Just out of interest,Could you please provide credible sources that show the current 32bit architecture usage as of now just to give your comment some clarity.
cheers.
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I recently tried to outfit an old Atom netbook with 32bit linux, and finding a browser that would play videos adequately was a lost cause. I need to see if the browsers will play well on Win7 on them.
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@priest72 No one claims 32‐bit users don’t exist, but apparently it isn’t worth the effort on desktop, or support wouldn’t have stopped.
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@paul1149 said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
I recently tried to outfit an old Atom netbook with 32bit linux, and finding a browser that would play videos adequately was a lost cause. I need to see if the browsers will play well on Win7 on them.
Use youtube-dl with youtube-dlg to download the videos and then play them in say VLC or the video player of your choice. I find that a 2008 macbook running a supported 64 bit version of LinuxMint also struggles to play higher resolution streaming videos in a browser in real time. So it is not just 32 bit computers that hit this kind of problem.
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@syklist That's a possibility. Another is SMTube, set to play either internally or via VLC. But even that didn't do too well on the netbook. The question to me is whether all browsers have grown beyond the Atom economy, or whether Linux is not tuned to it as well as Windows is. Only further testing will tell.
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@guigirl said in Vivaldi for 32-bit Linux PCs should still be available:
@vvduser I entirely sympathise with your laudable ethical stance.
It"s better than the Nobel peace price!
@guigirlguigirl
OK, sorry I can't correct it! It's happened because of a very complicated software I developped in my laboratory, well this masterpiece can....... duplicated words!
But it's just when I copied/pasted the post in my text editor apparently if the text includes the user icon, it produces a kind of a name duplicating, it's wonderful. -
Hello!
The chromium codebase will still function after 30+releases even though they do not tell you as such.
Excuse me you're maybe right, but functioning is one thing, and be safe is a second thing isn't it? Personnally I've never had trouble with hackers, but I hope it will remain this way, it never happens to you, it's for other ones, until it happens to you. Yet I'm not really scared and reading you for instance gives me rather trust (but something also telling me inside that trusting can be a big mistake).
People need to get this thirst for constantly updating out of their cerrebelum.
Funny thing: cerrebelum's got a huge article in Wikipedia, but doesn't exist in Wiktionary! (I had to search for this word for I'm french and I didn't know it means "cervelet", my english is very bad excuse me. It's the 2nd funny thing, "err this guy writes like a pig!").
I unfortunately could not get 32bit vivaldi to install and run on my system now as i have distrohopped to another distro.
This hysteria of distrohopping is nonsense in my opinion!!!!!! (Joke
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It's yet something else, but https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium advises against Chromium, stating:
As of 2021-07-31 16:59:07, Debian's Chromium package in the repositories remains vulnerable to numerous CVEs as outlined in the Chromium Security Tracker. Consider using an alternative browser like Firefox.
Except that 32b is more rare, it is for 32b as well as 64b probably?
The link they give shows about a hundred vulnerabilties. I don't really know what to think, but it seems a bit serious.
On my Lubuntu 32b, Chromium is 92.0.4515.159-0ubuntu0.18.04.1, for Vivaldi 3.7 vivaldi://about/ says Chrome/89.0.4389.128 (must be the Chromium version number?). On the vulnerabilities page, Debian shows proposing only 90.0.4430.212-1 even for latest version (that must be "sid"?), that apparently corresponds to the version where all is marked as "fixed", maybe it's not a coincidence!(Maybe it's worth opening a thread I don't know, but I wouldn't do because I miss time and well I don't understand all this. And Vivaldi developpers surely know it all.)
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@vvduser The warning on deb page has right. If the chromium package won't be updated - which could happen - switching to firefox could be best solution but soon or later even mozilla could decide to drop the x32 (but usually they tend to give more time before doing that).
Sadly, this could affect any chromium based browser, vivaldi included.
Most of the time, if the user machine is well protected, and being linux based is already a plus, the chances of been exposed to such vulnerabilities is very small, but yet it exist and the risk increases in the middle-long time (months/years).
So do your choice: wait (a bit) for an updated x32 v-build, switch to the fox or use both.Vivaldi Stable+Snap | Patience Is The Key To Get The Vivaldi Spree | Unsupported Extensions | Github | w11 + Kde Manjaro + Android 13
