Solved Rearrange Mail Accounts in list

stormhike

Totally agree. Sorting accounts alphabetically makes little sense. Being the webmaster of several sites I have 23 email accounts, some are important that I look at every day, others I rarely look at.
Being able to sort the accounts manually would be great, but having an option to sort them alphabetically by "Account Display Name" would work ...
I could name them "01 [email protected]", "02 [email protected]", etc.

I'm going back to Thunderbird until something like this is implemented. Shame because the mail looks good in Vivaldi, and I think Vivaldi is a great browser.

robach

I have 4 account... how ever they seem to appear in random order...

First I added them in the order I wanted...
All fine... But after restart of client the orde was changed.

I then tried to prefix each account-name with the order I want....

Account private
Gmail account
Work account

However - the sorting still doesn't seem to work !??? After restart of client it's random again.

?

kelleychambers

@Pesala Nope. That's not true. My accounts as shown in Vivaldi are as follows:

KC.com
P&P
iCloud

And that's how I entered them. I want them in alpha order. But alas, Vivaldi hasn't figured that part out for whatever dumb reason. Before they add more "features" they need to implement the basics first! All they have to do is take a look at any full featured client like Mailbird, em Client, Spark or hell even Mac's own built in Mail app. This is a rock bottom, basement necessity and I cannot believe in all the time Vivaldi has promoted their "free mail client' they haven't done it.

If Vivaldi wants to be taken seriously as a real mail client alternative to Outlook, Mailbird or even Spark, they need to get their &^%$ in order and start implementing the bare necessities NOW!

Ayespy

@Pesala The alphabeitcal order is not according to what you name them , but only according to the username on the account itself. User cannot affect this sort order in any way, at present.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers Vivaldi sorts per the username of the account. At present, there is nothing you can do about that.

Ayespy

@robach It's not random. It's alphabetical per username of the account. Unfortunately, we cannot yet change that.

kelleychambers

Well that's just down right stupid to lock down how a user's accounts are displayed. They programmed it deliberately like this which really pisses me off. Screw it. I'll go back to Mailbird. Yeah, it's a paid for app... but at least they don't lock down how your shit is displayed. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers What are the actual usernames of these accounts? You did not show that.

I've only done this fifty times or so in different ways, and it has always, irrespective of the order in which I added them or what I NAMED the accounts, been aplhabetical per username.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers It's not "locked down." They just haven't programmed a better way to do it yet. I expect that will come.

kelleychambers

@Ayespy They did lock it down! They ordered it the way they felt it should be completely disregarding how the USER wants to do it. Do you see a way to reorder it the way YOU want? It's bad UX and piss poor UI. One ALWAYS designs for the user and their needs/wants. I'm a web designer and developer of over 25 years. I know what I'm talking about.

And yeah, I'm pissed. This stupid, trivial BS in 2023 is absolutely pointless and 100% avoidable.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:

the way they felt it should be...

You assume this was intentional, and intentionally inflexible. Such is not the case. There is no intent in the Vivaldi team to limit your choices, or to make choices that overrule what you want. There is merely a programming design that has to have an order, and alpha (built in to the base software) is what they wound up with. To make it more flexible will require thousands of more lines of handwritten code which will, I'm confident, be written in time.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:

100% avoidable

In what way, exactly? How would you have written the code differently? Can you educate the developers in how they could have written mail better? Actual text of code they should have written differently? I'm curious how this was "100% avoidable."

kelleychambers

@Ayespy Of course it's intentional! This is how the delivered product is with zero flexibility. They should have put it in beta a little longer and implemented the bloody code. To believe there's some keyboard jockey behind the scenes handwriting the code is absolutely delusional. Vivaldi, being a fork of Opera and now open source, with plenty of resources and pre-populated code to do it. It wouldn't even take an hour with a dedicated dev. Now, maybe a few hours total to do proper QA cross platform but still. It's nothing for real software devs.

kelleychambers

@Ayespy Having been a product and project manager for agile development, I can tell you it was 100% avoidable had they done their research, due diligence and actually planned it properly. It's that simple.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:

To believe there's some keyboard jockey behind the scenes handwriting the code is absolutely delusional.

You completely do not get how Vivaldi, particularly the mail client was created. Most of it has been hand-coded, outside of the Chromium/Blink base. I have followed the development of the mail client, and it took over six years to WRITE - not copy-and-paste. That said, there are elements of the client, particularly database structures, that had to be plugged in as-is, and which are very problematic/fussy/fraught to alter. That's not to say it can't be done, but there are not toggle-switch options on pre-written software to simply make it how you want it.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:

It's that simple.

Actually, no, it's not.

kelleychambers

@Ayespy If this was written from the ground up, then I'll give you it would take longer than what I am intimating. However, we're not talking apples to apples. I'm saying that to simply add drag and drop functionality has been around AT LEAST a decade and is implemented everywhere... including in Chromium. It IS a copy and paste with maybe a bit of massage for their particular code base. And if this is six years worth of work? It doesn't surprise me that when I tell people I've used Vivaldi, they say, "What's that????".

I like Vivaldi as a browser and even the vision to make the browser an inclusive productivity tool. However, if this is the product of SIX bloody years, they need to kick the dev team to the curb and replace them. Absolutely absurd for something this paltry and lacking in everyday staples to take that long. Hence, the reason that in comparison with the big boys, Vivaldi has no name recognition.

kelleychambers

@Ayespy Arguing with you isn't going to make a hill of beans difference. It changes nothing which leads to an inevitable waste of time, effort and emotion. So, I'm done with Vivaldi today. I'll check in again in a few years to see if they've actually made PROGRESS in innovation rather than trying, and miserably failing IMHO, to recreate the wheel.

Ayespy

@kelleychambers Yes. Drag and drop. Some of the fussiest and most frustrating code to implement.

You have, here, about 20 or so developers (3 on the mail side - used to be just 2), most of whom come from developing one of the first browsers in the world (Opera) and one of the most successful browsers, with integrated email, ever to exist. So, yeah, as this is an employee-owned company, these are some of the most experience developers ever, and they are putting revolutionary function into public use, the thing to do would be to "kick them to the curb."

Consider this a family pizza joint who failed, inexplicably, to adopt the business patterns of Papa John's or Pizza Hut. It's not a huge corporation with unlimited resources, trying to serve the broad middle of human society. It's a niche company making a "browser for our friends." And they are more interactive with their customer base and more focused on flexibility, innovation and serving individual customer needs than any other browser maker. When they once again (following the debacle of the Opera buy-out) have two or three hundred developers in harness, niggling problems like repositioning account names will be more trivial.

kelleychambers

I swear I wasn't going to keep arm wrestling with you so this will be my last post on this topic.

Opera has absolutely had it's fair share of branding issues not to mention product problems in the course of the last 25 years. Maybe not that long ago but I'm not far off. I remember them so far back when they tried to, and miserably failed, to CHARGE for their browser. SO, yes, I've followed both Opera and Vivaldi for a very long time.

I am not referring to anyone person, company or product in any specific way, especially a nasty pizza joint like Papa John's, but what I am referencing is the sheer amount of time it takes them to come out with something that should absolutely BLOW a user away... not leaving them thinking, "What in the hell did I just down load????". Six years, whether it is two or twenty developers, is a long bloody time. Further, to say they are making something "REVOLUTIONARY" is hardly the right nor appropriate adjective for this product. I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs would have gotten a belly driven laugh at that. It is, however, a browser with semi-PWA capability (and I use SEMI lightly), with a PIM and not a feature rich one at that. Aside from PWA, it's nothing new! Revolutionary was the iPhone and the iPad. Revolutionary was dumping tea into the Boston Harbor. These are things that changed the world. Don't pretend that because it's an employee-owned company (again, not revolutionary) that it's more than what it really is.

I know as a mod you believe it to be all that, a bag of chips AND A diet coke. But it's not. To be honest, I sincerely doubt it ever will be. There are way too many truly progressive brains out there developing brand NEW, cutting-edge technological advances... and might I add at a hell of a lot faster rate than six years!!!! No one is going to give two shits about a has been browser with a few rudimentary tech pieces baked in... and this is AFTER they get their bloody thumbs out of their proverbial asses and show it that it can be one's daily driver!

Sorry. Not impressed. I was at one time and after bantering back and forth with you making excuses left and right, I'm even less now.