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@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:
the way they felt it should be...
You assume this was intentional, and intentionally inflexible. Such is not the case. There is no intent in the Vivaldi team to limit your choices, or to make choices that overrule what you want. There is merely a programming design that has to have an order, and alpha (built in to the base software) is what they wound up with. To make it more flexible will require thousands of more lines of handwritten code which will, I'm confident, be written in time.
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@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:
100% avoidable
In what way, exactly? How would you have written the code differently? Can you educate the developers in how they could have written mail better? Actual text of code they should have written differently? I'm curious how this was "100% avoidable."
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@Ayespy Of course it's intentional! This is how the delivered product is with zero flexibility. They should have put it in beta a little longer and implemented the bloody code. To believe there's some keyboard jockey behind the scenes handwriting the code is absolutely delusional. Vivaldi, being a fork of Opera and now open source, with plenty of resources and pre-populated code to do it. It wouldn't even take an hour with a dedicated dev. Now, maybe a few hours total to do proper QA cross platform but still. It's nothing for real software devs.
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@Ayespy Having been a product and project manager for agile development, I can tell you it was 100% avoidable had they done their research, due diligence and actually planned it properly. It's that simple.
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@kelleychambers said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:
To believe there's some keyboard jockey behind the scenes handwriting the code is absolutely delusional.
You completely do not get how Vivaldi, particularly the mail client was created. Most of it has been hand-coded, outside of the Chromium/Blink base. I have followed the development of the mail client, and it took over six years to WRITE - not copy-and-paste. That said, there are elements of the client, particularly database structures, that had to be plugged in as-is, and which are very problematic/fussy/fraught to alter. That's not to say it can't be done, but there are not toggle-switch options on pre-written software to simply make it how you want it.
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@Ayespy If this was written from the ground up, then I'll give you it would take longer than what I am intimating. However, we're not talking apples to apples. I'm saying that to simply add drag and drop functionality has been around AT LEAST a decade and is implemented everywhere... including in Chromium. It IS a copy and paste with maybe a bit of massage for their particular code base. And if this is six years worth of work? It doesn't surprise me that when I tell people I've used Vivaldi, they say, "What's that????".
I like Vivaldi as a browser and even the vision to make the browser an inclusive productivity tool. However, if this is the product of SIX bloody years, they need to kick the dev team to the curb and replace them. Absolutely absurd for something this paltry and lacking in everyday staples to take that long. Hence, the reason that in comparison with the big boys, Vivaldi has no name recognition.
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@Ayespy Arguing with you isn't going to make a hill of beans difference. It changes nothing which leads to an inevitable waste of time, effort and emotion. So, I'm done with Vivaldi today. I'll check in again in a few years to see if they've actually made PROGRESS in innovation rather than trying, and miserably failing IMHO, to recreate the wheel.
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@kelleychambers Yes. Drag and drop. Some of the fussiest and most frustrating code to implement.
You have, here, about 20 or so developers (3 on the mail side - used to be just 2), most of whom come from developing one of the first browsers in the world (Opera) and one of the most successful browsers, with integrated email, ever to exist. So, yeah, as this is an employee-owned company, these are some of the most experience developers ever, and they are putting revolutionary function into public use, the thing to do would be to "kick them to the curb."
Consider this a family pizza joint who failed, inexplicably, to adopt the business patterns of Papa John's or Pizza Hut. It's not a huge corporation with unlimited resources, trying to serve the broad middle of human society. It's a niche company making a "browser for our friends." And they are more interactive with their customer base and more focused on flexibility, innovation and serving individual customer needs than any other browser maker. When they once again (following the debacle of the Opera buy-out) have two or three hundred developers in harness, niggling problems like repositioning account names will be more trivial.
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I swear I wasn't going to keep arm wrestling with you so this will be my last post on this topic.
Opera has absolutely had it's fair share of branding issues not to mention product problems in the course of the last 25 years. Maybe not that long ago but I'm not far off. I remember them so far back when they tried to, and miserably failed, to CHARGE for their browser. SO, yes, I've followed both Opera and Vivaldi for a very long time.
I am not referring to anyone person, company or product in any specific way, especially a nasty pizza joint like Papa John's, but what I am referencing is the sheer amount of time it takes them to come out with something that should absolutely BLOW a user away... not leaving them thinking, "What in the hell did I just down load????". Six years, whether it is two or twenty developers, is a long bloody time. Further, to say they are making something "REVOLUTIONARY" is hardly the right nor appropriate adjective for this product. I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs would have gotten a belly driven laugh at that. It is, however, a browser with semi-PWA capability (and I use SEMI lightly), with a PIM and not a feature rich one at that. Aside from PWA, it's nothing new! Revolutionary was the iPhone and the iPad. Revolutionary was dumping tea into the Boston Harbor. These are things that changed the world. Don't pretend that because it's an employee-owned company (again, not revolutionary) that it's more than what it really is.
I know as a mod you believe it to be all that, a bag of chips AND A diet coke. But it's not. To be honest, I sincerely doubt it ever will be. There are way too many truly progressive brains out there developing brand NEW, cutting-edge technological advances... and might I add at a hell of a lot faster rate than six years!!!! No one is going to give two shits about a has been browser with a few rudimentary tech pieces baked in... and this is AFTER they get their bloody thumbs out of their proverbial asses and show it that it can be one's daily driver!
Sorry. Not impressed. I was at one time and after bantering back and forth with you making excuses left and right, I'm even less now.
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@kelleychambers You're free to be unimpressed. You don't have to like what Vivaldi users like.
I happen to personally know many of the personnel involved, I have followed the progress of the project from Jan. 2015, physically visited with about half the team in person, and test the product and confab with the devs behind the scenes (not just mod in the forum). So I get my impressions from close personal contact.
And I get my expectations from what I need daily to use it to pursue my profession. Clearly, your expectations are different and that's fine. Neither your opinions nor mine represent absolute, immutable values. So you do you, and Vivaldi will do Vivaldi. And that's kewl. Win-win.
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@kelleychambers Mine are ordered: aimwell.org, ntlworld.com, vivaldi.net. That looks like alphabetical order to me.
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@Ayespy said in Rearrange Mail Accounts in list:
It's alphabetical per username of the account.
I also thought it was by order of adding accounts for the longest time and after reading this I thought "Eureka, now I can easily get my two offline accounts to the bottom of the list" by just renaming the usernames to "y" and "z", respectively sucht that they get my wildente@.... account. But they stay right up there also after restarting Vivaldi.
I figure that if there IS some sort of sorting algorithm by user name, maybe it's not that easy to change it to free sorting. But with my very limited programming experience I think it should be fairly straightforward to change the sorting parameter from username to account name (account naming was added not too early in the development process)
Is there a feature wish / bug report for this?
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Vote for Sort Email Account Order.
It currently has only 12 votes, so apparently most users don't care much.
I just upvoted it, but it makes no difference to me. I just use the received view, where all new emails arrive from the accounts that are actively in use.
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@luminouslemon said in
Sort email account order 
:This is a deal breaker for me.
@stormhike said in
Sort email account order :Totally agree.
I'm going back to Thunderbird until something like this is implemented. Shame because the mail looks good in Vivaldi, and I think Vivaldi is a great browser. -
Sort for Accounts would be nice
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@Hadden89 "would be nice". Well, it's a must for someone with many email accounts that want to have it optimized.
Frankly I am stunned that it's not yet implemented.
I'm not that kind of guy that is hanging around on forums and I bet that most does not, therefore the Vivaldi team doesn't get to know how many actually are lacking this "feature". I am sure there are many that does.
Many move to the previous or other mail clients because of this. I just tried it out, like it. But if this doesn't get implemented in the near future I'll stick with Apple Mail where I also can create my own folders and move important (not email address specific) mails to them that I want to be able to read whenever I want. For instance I have a folder named "guitar" with reciepts of guitar parts I bought since 1996 stored in that folder. I have loads of different folders made simular to the guitar reciept folder. Very handy.
Yes I like to organize manually to have complete control over my stored emails. Done this since I entered internet in 1989. And no, it does not work to search for the word guitar as most of the emails with bought parts has not the work guitar in them, so I sort them manually when they're received. -
@Metamatic I kind of agree that is a "must".
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There is a sorting algorithm, and the sorting is on the only thing a user can not control. The sorting is alphabetically on MAIL ADDRESS!
Go figure. Selecting any other sort criteria would have been better.
I'm really impressed by the features and functionalities of the Vivaldi browser and mail client. All honor to the developers!
But this little "flunk" is really annoying.
I realize that the mail address is the only rasonable mandatory data to sort on as both sender name and account name are optional in the config.
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@EerVideONet
Hi, the developer don't read the forum but they check the feature requests.
I add my vote and we are now on 26 votes, even I don't really need it with 5 accounts.Cheers, mib
