Solved Auto mark email as read option
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@cjcr I got that.
What I am asking is how the workflow is supposed to look like with that option turned on:
@wildente said in Click to "Mark as Read" automatically in any mail/feed:
Do people who want this option read their email in Received only? What is going to be the purpose of the Unread view? Will the unread view be hidden if the option is turned on, or will the feature only apply for viewing emails in Reeived? (You can't read an email in unread which automatically marks itself as read and then, by definition, vanishes from unread while you read it.)
Usually on Win11 running Vivaldi Snapshot builds. Opinionated about working efficiently with email. Folders are evil | Mail workflow: receive, read, reply, mark as read, done.
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Do people who want this option read their email in Received only?
Received mails and new feeds entries.What is going to be the purpose of the Unread view?
Will the unread view be hidden if the option is turned on, or will the feature only apply for viewing emails in Reeived? (You can't read an email in unread which automatically marks itself as read and then, by definition, vanishes from unread while you read it.)I don't see where's the unread view you said, but anyway, why not stay there and mark as VIEWED and READ and stay there that mails until the next visit to that section? In the next visit to Unread View, that section should be empty for the mails you already viewed. What do you think?
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PLEASE implement this. I can't believe I waited five years for vivaldi mail to come out and I still can't use it because it's determined to make me learn some weird other way of managing my mail instead of just letting me do what I want with it.
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ok since nobody who wants this feature feels responsible of explaining how the feature is actually going to work, let the opponent make the suggestion:
Make the feature work as "automatically mark message as read when unselecting it". This means that when you click a message, it stays unread and you can actually read it in Unread (where it would otherwise just disappear). There is no timer running in the background. When you decide you are done with the message, you can just click on the next message in the list or select another view or another tab - all of this unselects the message. The moment you do that, the message you viewed gets marked as read.
This would allow Vivaldi to continue working properly with an Unread view as the keystone of managing your workflow. The "automatically mark read" folks would need to live with the fact that while the message is still open in Vivaldi, it is also still unread in other clients.
Usually on Win11 running Vivaldi Snapshot builds. Opinionated about working efficiently with email. Folders are evil | Mail workflow: receive, read, reply, mark as read, done.
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I thought the entire point of Vivaldi was to put the user first and allow features and customizations that other browsers don't have. Am I wrong? If it is then why not include an auto mark as read feature, and if you don't want it then don't use it? It seems simple enough. Why try to force everyone to not have the option for any feature?
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@n8chavez said in Click to "Mark as Read" automatically in any mail/feed:
It seems simple enough.
Appearances can be deceptive. The mail client we have at present took six years to develop. Further options and developments will come, but will take time. No one is being forced to accept anything. Mail as it exists at present is the best mail client developers have been able to produce so far. It will continue to get better and better, almost indefinitely. For now, many possible options will take a back seat to solving "basic" (but very difficult) problems, such as the handling of deletion of emails from GMail servers. Other options, which have been planned from the very beginning, will continue to appear.
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Yeah, this has already been asked for eight months prior to this thread
And in a more sensible manner than the whole 'time limit' thing (which is just odd). In the interim, if pressing 'k' proves to be too steep a hill to climb, can I suggest using one of the 300 email clients not in beta rather than pestering developers about something they're already aware of (and you would have been aware too, if you'd bothered to look)?
And just as a quick tip: Nothing is software development is simple. NOTHING.
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This feature request has found a couple of duplicates. I think this is the original.
In another thread (linked below) I suggested to solve the problem like this:
Make the feature work as "automatically mark message as read when unselecting it". This means that when you click a message, it stays unread and you can actually read it in Unread (where it would otherwise just disappear). There is no timer running in the background. When you decide you are done with the message, you can just click on the next message in the list or select another view or another tab - all of this unselects the message. The moment you do that, the message you viewed gets marked as read.
This would allow Vivaldi to continue working properly with an Unread view as the keystone of managing your workflow. The "automatically mark read" folks would need to live with the fact that while the message is still open in Vivaldi, it is also still unread in other clients.
cross-linking other threads on this topic:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/61285/click-to-mark-as-read-automatically-in-any-mail-feed/https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/54336/mark-read-automatically/
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I see how they do it but I agree there should at least be an option in the settings to enable this functionality.
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1st response to this forum!
agreed, option should be on USER's hand...
please let your user have an option at least -
@wildente I'm still using M2 and there is no such option but the functionality is different (better) than in M3. In Unread view selected email is marked as seen automatically but you need to mark as read manually. But in other views when selected, email is marked as seen and read automatically after a second.
I'm using hierarchical labels with filter rules so I don't use Unread view often.
Unfotunately, I can't use M3 without that two features.
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@djanci the latest Vivaldi snapshot now has added filter actions that allow to mark as read, add&remove labels. So no marking as read after a second, but when the filter rule applies.
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@wildente As you can see I'm not using "Mark matching messages as read" because I want to see how many unread emails I have in a particular Label view. But when I open Label view and select ie. preview/open unread email, it must be marked as seen and read automatically. That's logical.
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@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
But in other views when selected, email is marked as seen and read automatically after a second.
I have tried to do this in M2 and I see no way to mark a message as read after a second of viewing it. Either the mail is marked as read when filtered (by toggling the option you show in your screenshot) or it stays unread until marked as read. Same behavior in M3 as far as I can tell. Or I am just unable to figure it out in M2, in which case I'd like to learn how it's done there
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@wildente I am sure there is a setting for it, this is how I was using it for about ten years. I no longer have Opera 12 installed though so I cannot check exactly what setting it was (maybe somewhere under accounts? The settings were a bit convoluted).
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@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
I recorded a short video...
Seeing is believing. I thought I was going crazy because I use M2 since 2003 and have never known this feature to exist. Apparently I have turned a blind eye to this little checkbox. I stand corrected, it is there. M2 is quite good
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@wildente Ups, I overlooked that option. But there it is and I expect to to see it in M3 soon. This is a 5 minute task for the programmer.
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@saudiqbal said in Auto mark email as read option:
I have to manually mark email as read, it would be nice to mark email as read on opening or after a second.
Maybe it's a bug but this is exactly what I experience.
I have to press K (to mark a mail as read) myself every time.
So is it a bug or feature? -
@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
So is it a bug or feature?
It's a feature. Unread mails means you haven't dealt with them yet. Unread view should therefore mostly be empty. Only include emails that you have yet to answer or finish dealing with.
@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
This is a 5 minute task for the programmer.
We need to make sure you don't automatically mark read in views that are only showing unread message (which would jump between unread messages until you have none). But yes, this will be added. We of course want to add things for our users, especially if they're high on the feature request list.
