Solved Auto mark email as read option
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@djanci the latest Vivaldi snapshot now has added filter actions that allow to mark as read, add&remove labels. So no marking as read after a second, but when the filter rule applies.
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@wildente As you can see I'm not using "Mark matching messages as read" because I want to see how many unread emails I have in a particular Label view. But when I open Label view and select ie. preview/open unread email, it must be marked as seen and read automatically. That's logical.
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@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
But in other views when selected, email is marked as seen and read automatically after a second.
I have tried to do this in M2 and I see no way to mark a message as read after a second of viewing it. Either the mail is marked as read when filtered (by toggling the option you show in your screenshot) or it stays unread until marked as read. Same behavior in M3 as far as I can tell. Or I am just unable to figure it out in M2, in which case I'd like to learn how it's done there
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@wildente I am sure there is a setting for it, this is how I was using it for about ten years. I no longer have Opera 12 installed though so I cannot check exactly what setting it was (maybe somewhere under accounts? The settings were a bit convoluted).
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@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
I recorded a short video...
Seeing is believing. I thought I was going crazy because I use M2 since 2003 and have never known this feature to exist. Apparently I have turned a blind eye to this little checkbox. I stand corrected, it is there. M2 is quite good
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@wildente Ups, I overlooked that option. But there it is and I expect to to see it in M3 soon. This is a 5 minute task for the programmer.
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@saudiqbal said in Auto mark email as read option:
I have to manually mark email as read, it would be nice to mark email as read on opening or after a second.
Maybe it's a bug but this is exactly what I experience.
I have to press K (to mark a mail as read) myself every time.
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@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
So is it a bug or feature?
It's a feature. Unread mails means you haven't dealt with them yet. Unread view should therefore mostly be empty. Only include emails that you have yet to answer or finish dealing with.
@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
This is a 5 minute task for the programmer.
We need to make sure you don't automatically mark read in views that are only showing unread message (which would jump between unread messages until you have none). But yes, this will be added. We of course want to add things for our users, especially if they're high on the feature request list.
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@gmg said in Auto mark email as read option:
Unread mails means you haven't dealt with them yet
Thanks for your message but can you please elaborate more on it?
What do you mean with "deal" with?Look, I got a mail from this forum here, that you responded:
The mail has the dot / is marked unread. But I clicked on it and read it. Why does the dot not go away now?Edit: that are my Mail settings:
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@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
Thanks for your message but can you please elaborate more on it?
What do you mean with "deal" with?Think of the Unread view as a todo list.
Once you click on it, it's marked as Seen (no longer accent color, blue with blue dot) and you've seen the mail (or task).
Marking it as read would mean you're done with it.So, essentially, once you've seen it, you either:
- Save it for later reading (or need to forward/reply or contact someone regarding this before marking it as read)
- Done with it and don't need to do anything. Just hit
Gto mark it as read and go to the next unread message.
If you want to start with a clean slate. You can always just mark everything in a view read with:
- ctrl+A to select everything and click G
- Right clicking on the view in the panel and choosing "Mark All as Read"
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@gmg said in Auto mark email as read option:
view as a todo list
Ok, I think I got you more but please let me tell you honestly, that this is the strangest explanation of a traditional mail system I've heard in 20 years using them.
I mean with your logic, why not using labels or folders or filter named "todo" or "reply later".In every mail program I know it is easy as that: once you click on a new incoming mail (unread) it is marked as read.
There are programs like eM Client etc. that can define in settings, that the status "read" is only triggered after 1,2,3,4,5... seconds. For me even a security feature, cause scammer don't get any justification, that I've read their poison mail.
So, what do you think? I'm sure you guys have a reason to be the only mail software in the world that does it different than all the rest
but... can this be changed or make as option please?
I suggest a new option checkbox in the "Unseen Messages" area?Mark mail as read on click -
@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
make as option please
Yes. See previous answer in which I said:
@gmg said in Auto mark email as read option:
But yes, this will be added.
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@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
I mean with your logic, why not using labels or folders or filter named "todo" or "reply later".
Because that is inefficient. It all boils down to what kind of emails you usually receive. If you are getting few emails that don't require an answer, then auto marking as read may be fine. Read, next. Read, next.
If you get loads of email that require you to check something out and reply later, then you'll spend half your time filing important stuff away because otherwise you'll lose it out of sight. It's better to do it the other way around: leave in sight what you need to work with and removing all those things from the pile (by deleting or marking as read) that do NOT require attention any longer . Continue until no emails are left and you end up with the bliss of inbox zero.
As soon as you start labeling or moving mails, you do some sort of filing that adds zero value to getting actual work done.
In every mail program I know it is easy as that: once you click on a new incoming mail (unread) it is marked as read.
Other mail programs may not have a dedicated unread view to help you be organized without ever having to file anything. In Vivaldi's unread view, auto marking an email as read would remove that mail from said view while you are looking at it as @gmg said above, so it requires some thought.
@gmg in another thread which I apparently don't have access to anymore I suggested that in the Unread view, the option should work as "mark as read on unselecting" (needs better wording) such that it stays unread as long as I look at it, and when I move to the next mail it gets set as read. Otherwise it would vanish from Unread while looking at it...
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/61285/click-to-mark-as-read-automatically-in-any-mail-feed/29?_=1634676286146Usually on Win11 running Vivaldi Snapshot builds. Opinionated about working efficiently with email. Folders are evil | Mail workflow: receive, read, reply, mark as read, done.
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@wildente said in Auto mark email as read option:
If you are getting few emails that don't require an answer, then auto marking as read may be fine. Read, next. Read, next.
Yep, that's me most of the time.
@wildente said in Auto mark email as read option:
As soon as you start labeling or moving mails, you do some sort of filing that adds zero value to getting actual work done.
Well, you don't do that yourself right. It's all automated with filters for example.
Working with your logic, it would mean I have over time bunch of mails "unread" that I need to "deal with" but totally unorganized.
And many mail programs added for that reason a Snooze feature on top.
So if it's an important mail you need to respond, you just snooze it, so the mail itself gives you a reminder / set itself to unread that you have to deal with it tomorrow for example. (hint: also a nice feature / option for Vivaldi @gmg )@wildente said in Auto mark email as read option:
auto marking an email as read would remove that mail from said view
True and I totally get your point, the workflow behind this "the user must actively mark it as read" system.
It just conflicts with users like me (and I guess most nowadays?) that get just a lot of daily newsletter, information, status reports and so on. Answering mails becomes less and less of an trend the last years I noticed, because many customers either want me to call them, using fancy chat platforms like Slack, Whatsapp, etc. or most websites have their own Contact / Support service system. -
@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
Working with your logic, it would mean I have over time bunch of mails "unread" that I need to "deal with" but totally unorganized.
Yes. No filing in the world will save you if you just don't have enough time to get stuff done.
@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
And many mail programs added for that reason a Snooze feature on top.
Very true, and there are feature wishes for that which you can vote up
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53412/mark-as-read-for-xy-days-or-follow-up-in-xy-days-label
(not a novel request but the only one I know that got some votes, email snooze was already brought to in an interesting but long archived thread. https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/9792/desired-features-in-the-vivaldi-e-mail-client?page=1)
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We need to make sure you don't automatically mark read in views that are only showing unread message (which would jump between unread messages until you have none). But yes, this will be added. We of course want to add things for our users, especially if they're high on the feature request list.
@gmg That's why "automatically mark as read after XX seconds" option should be programmatically disabled for Unread view and all views where user opted to see only unread items, so either manual set as read or optionally "automatically mark as read on lost item focus (selection)".
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@b-iggy said in Auto mark email as read option:
Answering mails becomes less and less of an trend the last years I noticed, because many customers either want me to call them, using fancy chat platforms like Slack, Whatsapp, etc. or most websites have their own Contact / Support service system.
But this workflow is not restricted to replying to email. For instance, I leave emails as unread until I've sent that whatsapp message or used the support system or whatever actions I need to do to handle that email message I received.
Actually, Vivaldi already has the "automatically mark as..." feature that so many people are asking for - but they call it 'seen', not 'read' (and actually, unlike many other email clients, there's no way to disable that automatically marking). If you use an Unseen view instead of the Unread view, you'll have exactly what you're looking for.
If Vivaldi had chosen to go with (Un)Seen and (Un)Dealt terms instead, I think this wouldn't be such a recurrent request... -
@pauloaguia said in Auto mark email as read option:
if Vivaldi had chosen to go with (Un)Seen and (Un)Dealt terms instead, I think this wouldn't be such a recurrent request...
I agree with everything except this last sentence. For syncing with other clients (... Reading your mail on the smartphone...) the read/unread state has to be used. Vivaldi has to work nicely with the rest of the world...
Incidentally there is a request about syncing the seen state from just 2 days ago https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/69600/sync-m3-s-seen-state-of-messages-to-imap-server
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+1 how do I "vote" for this ?
