Good riddance, Internet Explorer!
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@luetage The post I was replying to was from seven hours ago. And I meant to say "surpasses".
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@jon Edge isn't really IE with a new name... although they've included the IE rendering engine as a second-choice option for certain websites - with the majority rendered by the Chrome engine, like Vivaldi - Edge can't actually deal with all the IE-only pages relying on ActiveX etc.
So in my case, this means the only place I actually need IE (my security camera) really doesn't work in Edge (or on my phone or on my work laptops). Very annoying then that Microsoft have been making it harder and harder to just open IE to check the camera without a million pop-ups and opt-outs to click through.
With the latest announcements it looks like I'm actually going to have to install a virtual machine running old Windows and old IE if I ever want to look at the camera again! And from what I've read I am not alone... many security cameras and many older industrial/administration tools are in the same boat.
(Edit: I can appreciate the irony here that for years I was arguing against the pushing of a proprietary and unsafe ActiveX system and I'm now arguing for them to keep access to a proprietary and unsafe ActiveX system... lolz!)
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@mossman , according to what I've read on the Verge, although IE is no longer maintained, it can be used until at least next year. It is clear that ActiveX is a security problem, but if it is only about accessing your camera.
Perhaps it may also be possible to ask the technical support of your camera (if you have one) to maybe have a solution, they surely also know that IE is going to be eliminated.
Maybe this site also can help
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@Catweazle said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
@mossman , according to what I've read on the Verge, although IE is no longer maintained, it can be used until at least next year. It is clear that ActiveX is a security problem, but if it is only about accessing your camera.
Perhaps it may also be possible to ask the technical support of your camera (if you have one) to maybe have a solution, they surely also know that IE is going to be eliminated.
Maybe this site also can help
https://comparium.app/blog/internet-explorer-emulator/Actually, I just came back to the forum to say that after a bit more digging it seems Edge can use ActiveX after all...
Not sure why I couldn't get it to work before(+), but the website of a similar security camera(++) had a help page detailing Edge settings - and now my work laptop attempts to download the necessary plugin (but fails as I'm not admin). I will set this up on our own computers later(+++)...
(+) quite strange as I had collected several bookmarks on the subject.
(++) the security system I'm using is quite old and the manufacturer's website doesn't seem to talk about this... I just found the firmware update file but it's from 2016, so not likely to help
(+++) my main concern was how to check the home while on holiday, since we can't use our phones or the Linux netbook we normally take with us - so we're still stuck borrowing a Windows PC with Edge (if I note down those settings somewhere)Edit: looked at your link - I'd already found this kind of solution but these sites are limited to X number of minutes/accesses per month so it doesn't really help.
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@mossman , there are also some extension in the Chrome Store, but all with the same problem, trials and limited free uses, no OpenSource alternatives.
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Funny how this discussion has turned to "how to make IE work again"
@mossman See:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
https://www.pcworld.com/article/632674/how-to-use-internet-explorer-mode-in-microsoft-edge.htmlMight help.
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@Pathduck , yes, the problem is that ou need admin rights to do this, a solution for homeusers, but not so in the work PC, if you want t control your security cam.
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@Catweazle I was assuming since @mossman seemed desperate enough to start thinking about installing VMs, this must be a system with more permissions
If you're at work -- yes, it's a problem. Many enterprises have already configured this, and cannot be controlled by the user. If you know the IT people and they're nice enough, maybe if you ask politely to add the site to the IE mode list. If they're the regular sysadmin types ... forget it
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@Catweazle
But you don't have to. There are free and safe alternatives for almost all Google services. But they only exist, because Google developed the foundation of the necessary technology. -
@Nekomajin , anyway, I think that with the IE RIP, compatibility problems are only temporary, until the market adapt it, same with other old formats.
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@doctorg: I was merely attempting to highlight the fact that Apple purposefully keep their Safari browser old/hobbled for their own monopolistic purposes, and keep Safari as the only option on their garden-walled devices. Reminds me of a certain Redmond-based company's practices up until yesterday. Plus ça change!
Mozilla is a very compromised entity which is mostly funded via Google. They've been on my naughty list ever since the way they threw Brendan Eich out - disgraceful behaviour. Unfortunately, for now at least, we need them to be around.
We need a non-Silicon Valley tech company making browsers - it is vital, and as you said "the market rules", and it has made a space for Vivaldi.
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Off-topic: Vivaldi Team, why do I need to allow 3rd-party cookies to log in to this forum?
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@phyddeaux Hi - you don't need to accept 3rd-party to login to the forum. I don't and it works fine.
You DO need to accept 3rd-party from
vivaldi.net
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@Nekomajin …or acquired the fitting company. Almost everything worthwhile gets bought out all the time by some internet giant and then we all pretend they invented it : /
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@pathduck: Thanks for the fast response. I've allowed vivaldi.com to allow 3rd party cookies (which would include vivaldi.net). Checked and working. Thanks again.
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@pathduck: I've just realised that this article is available at 2 different domains.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/49885/good-riddance-internet-explorer/101?_=1655486305611
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https://vivaldi.com/blog/good-riddance-internet-explorer/
via https://vivaldi.com/blog/feed/
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@luetage
That's true. But these companies alone could not make a difference, because they only developed a small portion of the complete web technology we use today.I don't want to blindly glorify Google, because they have many flaws, but we can't deny, that they jump started the web platform.
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@Nekomajin Well, I’m not a passenger of the »Google is pure evil« bandwagon. Microsoft is far worse, yet everybody and their uncle is using Windows and complaining about some random Google service…
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Jon, I really miss the old Opera, seriously. I started using it on Win 98SE in England and later on XP and Linux in South Korea; greatly missed, but greatly appreciated. Thank you for all your efforts.
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@Ayespy For those not in the know, what I mean by "Goolag" is that search engine company that develops a rival web browser.
I always complained about this and I'll never not be bothered by this. I don't see any coherent in pointing the hard that IE did in the past when Vivaldi is helping Goolag do the same.
When Opera Classic died and modern Opera was born my biggest complaining was for the exact same reason. From day zero I argued that Vivaldi should had joined forced with Mozilla Foundation to help develop Firefox engine and use it as a base and use their combined force to push for more control and pro-user development of the web standards.@Nekomajin said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
Sure, Google needed the technology to gain more users, to collect more data, to make more money, but doing so, they developed a lot of awesome stuff, which brought us the platform independet world. Not just it does not matter which browser you use, you can do the same work, get the same entertainment on every operating system.
I don't think the current state of the web is ideal, but it's not black and white. Google is not just pure evil.
Did you forgot how Goolag took a chapter of Intel's book with their own "GenuineIntel"? When their services detected a user not using their own browser, even if that version of the browser that the user was using worked perfectly fine they would block features, give an older and intentionally slower version or just refuse to load it.
Now people that was hurt by their deceitful and anti-competitive practices are giving their praise for what they did.