Any word on M3? (internal mail client)

LonM

@luetage given that's taken the Vivaldi team many years to do and is still not ready, good luck. rolleyes

All I've been able to do so far with it is have it create a calendar entry which never did anything, and create a storage area on my disk for mail.

saudiqbal

Hopefully now is the time to get started with M3!

mossman

This is starting to feel like Duke Nukem Forever!

Let's hope M3 doesn't end the way that DNF (eveeeeennnnnnntually) did...

luetage

@mossman DNF = Did Not Finish?

mossman

@luetage said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

@mossman DNF = Did Not Finish?

That became an unfortunate joke during its FIFTEEN YEARS of always being "coming soon"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Duke_Nukem_Forever

luetage

@mossman Oh lol, wasn't aware of that story. Well, seems like we are almost a third of the way there.

mossman

@luetage I noticed a funny quote on that Wikipedia page:

After repeatedly announcing and deferring release dates, 3D Realms announced in 2001 that it would be released simply "when it's done"

That sounds veeeerrrrry familiar!

luetage

@mossman Not at all. In Vivaldi it's WIR, that's a big difference ^^

But seriously, what I cannot get my head around is why it hasn't been released as opt-in / alpha / use at your own risk version years ago. It won't be perfect when it's finally released anyway, so why not let people use it in an unfinished testing state? What will happen is that people will complain about bugs when it's out and it somehow makes sense: why wait that long for a product, if it's buggy all the same. Could have had it much sooner.

schreck

worst reason as always - its for your own good.
the dumb user cannot assess the risk, so you need protection (that you dont want, but get it anyway).

here: we dont want you to lose mails.

Blackbird

Having a browser freeze or fail to resolve a website properly is an annoyance... having an important eMail lost because of a client bug can be a disaster for the user. Hence it's one thing to release a browser version with some bugs and another entirely to release an eMail client with even a single bug. And given how many users frequently post problem complaints in these forums but who fail to understand the nature of a Snapshot version and its risks, there is simply very little upside for Vivaldi to release an M3 version until it's truly ready.

luetage

@Blackbird It's only about the way in which you dispatch such a preview / experiment. Make it hard for people without knowledge to opt in. Make clear that it's unfinished, make sure no one can submit bugs for it, if you don't want that, etc. Also the losing email scenario is kinda bland, let it be imap only and the emails will always be accessible on the server. Also I haven't heard of anyone losing mails, but we get practically no information and that's the whole problem.

It's too late now in any case, this should have happened years ago.

saudiqbal

@luetage I posted the same message about letting people enable Mail through flags or something, long time ago, but they dont want to enable it. Every day Vivaldi is late releasing Mail they are losing new customers big time.

lamarca

@saudiqbal There you are.

@saudiqbal said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

they dont want to enable it.

I don't agree with it:)

Edited: grammar

mkstevo

I'm really saddened and disappointed to find that after I last looked at Vivaldi, with the assurance that an email client was (then) imminent, it has still not yet surfaced.

I asked last about the email client in April 2017. Thirty months or so ago, THIRTY!

I see many comments that it isn't vapourware. It is coming. Please be patient... But thirty months?

Such a shame. I really loved the old Opera M3 email client.

jon

@mkstevo , clearly this has taken us a long time and for that we are sorry. That being said, release gets closer each day.

Best,
Jon.

saudiqbal

I guess Vivaldi V3 will come with M3

lamarca

How long have we met in same web browser forum ?.... ever had a problem? of course not. we never talked. do you like music, saudiqbal? Frank Zappa?! - posting here won't speed up M3. Back to Zappa, do you know his music?

saudiqbal

I actually don't listen to music at all.

lamarca

@saudiqbal Prefs are prefs.

A Former User

@lamarca Do you mean vivaldi.prefs === vivaldi.prefs?