What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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- Boot time, response time when loading tabs, open new, switch tabs between different windows is much slower compared to chrome.
- Can't select text in the page and drag it in the tabs area to search that in a new tab, I use this feature a lot.
- When a slow page is loading, you don't have any visual feedback.
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@acidinmyfridge said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
would love speed dial thumbnails like opera has, the simple url name on coloured background.
Have a look at the @D0J0P thumbnails thread
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- I never noticed 5 seconds being too long to start Vivaldi.
- You can select text on the page, right-click, and search with in a new tab.
- The Reload icon on the Address Bar changes to a Stop icon while a page is loading
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@btabke The design, which feels antiquated when compared to that of Chrome, Firefox, and all the other modern browsers.
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@btabke Developer debug features. I use Safari as my primary browser because I love the appearance and functionality of the Web Inspector, the thing that shows up on a right click > Inspect Element. I'm a web developer, and having the unchanged Chromium Web Inspector (complete with "What's new in Chrome") is a big turn of for me, not just from Vivaldi, but from all Chromium browsers. That being said, on Linux or Windows, where Safari isn't an option, I use the big V.
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@lawrencescafuri I could not phrase that in a less actionable way if I tried. Could you qualify that?
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@pesala
But, when chrome starts instantly, and firefox starts in less than 2 secs, the 5-6 seconds of vivaldi are too much for me.
The second its a feature that I found on almost all browsers, except vivaldi.
The last one, yeah, but is not evident if the tab is not selected, you no have any animation or visual feedback. -
@sergio-brighenti It's all about priorities. If startup time is crucial to you, you should probably use another browser. No need to argue any of this, it's just a rundown of reason why people don't use Vivaldi as their main browser.
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<<as she commences another irritating soliloquy>>
G'day, Self, any idea why some people persist in prioritising browser launch speed [with differences measured in a few seconds ffs] over stuff that actually enables & expands one's productivity with a browser? Why some people seem to think that the point of a browser is merely to open so fast that you haven't even got to your desk yet, no matter that once you're there, the browser is so ugly & useless that it offends both your sense of aesthetics & your desire for productivity? That they're so invested in cutting off their nose to spite their face that they choose to persist with inferior browsers merely so they can persuade themselves of the hugeness of their dangly-bits by having a browser that they think starts fast?
Hi back at ya, Self. No, i have no idea at all about why such people think this way. Also why they seem incapable of performing a valid comparison, like maybe a Kepner-Tregoe decision analysis matrix or similar, whereby they list all the features & functions a browser should have, categorise them into Musts & Wants, assign a weighting to each item, score each candidate browser against each item, tally the weighted scores, & arrive at the best browser for themselves based on facts & logic. Some people are weird, huh, by just fetishising one parameter only, & a trivial one at that?
Yeah, weird indeed. Anyway, no time to dally here with such rhetorical philosophising, Self, i need to go get my morning coffee. Then i think i'll come back & open a few browsers 68 times. Once i've finished that vital task, i'll record the results in my Notes Web Panel including with some screenshots, stack the applicable tabs & name the stack, tile some of my other tab-stacks, flick over to my Deep Purple theme, check the weather forecast in another of my handy WPs, & coz they say that a change is as good as a holiday i might move my top tab row over to be a rhs tab column for today, & tomorrow have it down the bottom. No time to mention multiple other factors of course, coz those other browsers aren't going to open themselves 68 times; gotta get onto that important task...
OK, seeya Self, have a good'un.
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@steffie Weather forecast is foggy (or Smoke on the water)
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@tbgbe ...and fire in the sky.
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You two are behaving like real Machine Heads.
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@steffie I think it strongly depends on your workflow.
Both my web browser and my text editor are typically started once per day. I would not like it if it needed a minute to start, but it would not really be a big problem either. Getting a coffee takes longer.
That said, some people pop open a browser, look up one item and close it again. If your workflow hops back and forth all the time like that then startup time suddenly becomes more relevant.
I can imagine that if you are developing a site and you want to quickly clear your cache and open the site as if you are visiting it for the first time that you will utilize such a start/stop flow.
Startup time also becomes more relevant on very old hardware or when your browser experience is very unstable (i.e. lots of crashes). Again development can be a good example here, suppose for example that you are developing a browser plugin. Each mistake might lead to a crash and need a restart.
Bottom line, do not be so quick to evaluate the metrics of another based on your own user experience.
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@caine said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
I think it strongly depends on your workflow.
Teehee, well that's cool then. If it depends on MY workflow, then the matter's settled
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- Agree with you man, I think Vivaldi uses too much of my CPU. My laptop is hotter compared to other browsers (Chrome, Mozilla, Opera) when using Vivaldi.
- This is actually ain't true. dragging your mouse right/left may highlight the text, but you can drag the text by dragging up/down your mouse.
- Yeah I have this problem, but I use mod to hide it haha.
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@nearbaskara Sergio was talking about dragging the text into the tab bar to search for it in a new tab. Yes, you can select it, then drag it to the tab bar, but that does nothing.
I reported this as a bug:
(VB-21583) A dragged URL is not opened in a new tab when dropped on the tab bar
If it is not a URL, but just text, then it should perhaps be searched with the default search engine. I am happy with right-click, Search With for that, but if links could be dragged and dropped anywhere on the page to open them in a new tab, that would be useful.
Similar requests can be found in the Feature Requests thread, e.g.
@vivaldi-232 said in Feature requests for Vivaldi 1.14:
Drag selected texts & Drop to a new tab button to search for that text.
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@regnas said in Feature requests for Vivaldi 1.14:
Drag text to the tab bar area (or even on the same tab) to search
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I still use Opera 12.18 for its mail client,which is the one feature II find missing most in Vivaldi. However, many pages are not handled well any more by Opera, so Vivaldi is my main browser, although some internet radio stations on delicast.com wil play in Opera, but not in Vivaldi and vice versa. Chrome typically handeles everything well. Also, Vivaldi tends to be slow. It is clear that it just emulates our beloved old Opera. On top of this, I have a problem with Vivaldi stopping to download anything since about three weeks, which seems to be an issue caused mainly (but not completely) by my Avast antivirus software, though.
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One important thing why I prefer chrome over vivaldi:
When I press Ctrl+N it takes second-to-few-seconds to open new window (not tab)
It distracts a lot and breaks the concentration.Chrome opens new window momentarily on the contrast.
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@steffie
The distance from my home to my work place is around 20-25 miles.
I don't want to waste time, so I drive there every morning with my bike - around 90-100 minutes.
You see, I could take my car and be there in 30 minutes, but then I'd have to open to car door, go in, close the car door, fasten the seet belt, turn the key to start the motor... that's all much too long.
With the bike I just have to hop on it, and I drive immediately. So I save at least 15 seconds.
Much faster, right!
Right?
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@exaskryz said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:
Click-and-short-drag to open links
Try using right click (known as Mouse Gestures).
