Not again, Microsoft!

[Omen_20]

I use Edge at work to house workplace tabs. I kind of like having a separate icon on the task bar for that stuff. Edge is still awful, and I'm thinking of using Firefox for work stuff now. Not only do they lock updates to the OS, some enterprises stay a year behind on feature updates. Edge frequently fails to reload my last session, and just this morning trying to rearrange a tab made it pull into a new window. I can't get it to go back into the original window due to a bug. Vivaldi will always be my default no matter how much they nag.

[Omen_20]

@jon: If I could use Vivaldi on ChromeOS I'd 100% be down for buying a tablet this fall. Right now I'm still leaning towards it, but I'm tentative. Would be cool if Vivaldi made a spin off of ChromiumOS.

[Ayespy]

@omen_20 Chrome OS only runs apps licensed for Chrome OS by Google - meaning that in order to port Vivaldi to Chrome OS, Vivaldi would have to create a version strictly compliant with Google dictates. It's sort of like creating one for iOS. In that case, you have to build the browser on top of Apple's WebKit engine.

That said, an Android version is already under development, and it will ultimately run on any Android tablet.

[Koolio]

@ayespy: yup..guess I hadn't scrolled down past the windows download links in long time.. that and also just using the auto update.. so never goto the page much.

[Catweazle]

@koolio said in Not again, Microsoft!:

@catweazle: I cling to Win7 aswel.. It's last decent OS now.. though I clinged to WinXP for the longest time, skipped astalaVista for being bug ridden trash compared to WinXP+own custom theme+far better shell extensions.. It was only after Sinosky Win7 effort to fix and add some improvements to the OS where it improved, and classic Directx upgrade on games (ie where MS can't possibly backport newer DX versions to an older OS bs) and even then only 1-2years later after Win7SP1~ timeframe really that I switched to it just for Dx10 gaming really, and even then it was reluctant because some shell extension developers gave up trying to make certain things work for MS anymore.. like http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/ .. It's weird how MS is so effing useless for it's company size, they've really taken to catering to the lowest common denominator of dumbed down audiences that are easy please with crap functionality and constant pseudo security updates and telemetry spyware, along with its really stripped down bare bone idiocracy looking UX (the worse thing about it for me) sign of the times really.

Still the sad thing is that Linux desktop variants like ubuntu/mint etc is at best only really at WinXP levels in terms of desktop/shell UX functionality, bugs/window handling, options, customization.. kiss good bye to all the power features, the shell extensions, utils etc that exist for Windows eco system (by that eco system I mean the pre Winblows10.. just about everything post Win10 is just garbage level (or fixing stuff MS fks up), which is why I think still think Linux desktop of some sort will catch on with more and more software and games going cross platform. Even I look at developing with cross platform tools like Java/JavaFX now, screw MS they can goto hell, even DX12 crap doesn't entice people to Winblows10 this time around, just need more of a push towards opengl/vulkan I refuse to buy any game that is Windows/Dx only when two of the biggest engines Unity/Unreal both support Linux/OpenGL/Vulkan.. no excuses for those still trying keep things tied Windows and especially Win10 (ie those lazy hardware manufactures and there driver bs)

@Ayespy oh good I had no idea Vivaldi was working on linux desktop.. well that's one thing off the year of linux desktop checklist for me

It is true that some versions of Linux, such as Ubuntu and Mint, in functionality resemble Win XP, but not with all distros, for example KDE distros if they are a good substitute for Win 7 and high quality, (like most KDE soft).
Windows might not be so rejected, if MS, after releasing an acceptable version, they would hump it again in the following versions, apart from turning the W10 into an authentic spyware

[An_dz]

@ayespy Chrome OS doesn't allow any other browsers apart from Google Chrome.

[Ayespy]

@an_dz Never having used Chrome OS, but knowing you could only install or activate Chrome apps, I was not sure if it was nailed down that tightly. Good to know.

[LakeInHolland]

Well said, Jon!

[LakeInHolland]

While I'm here, please excuse me for moaning about the constant reappearance of the automatic download-new-Vivaldi-version button, none of whose claims that I'll never see it again have been substantiated! Grrr. (Or is it a setting I haven't set?)

[Pesala]

@lakeinholland Settings, Updates, Notify About Updates?

[paul1149]

@jon: Frankly, I think this parallels what Big Tech is doing in the political realm. They are throwing their weight around trying to silence voices that they do not agree with. Legitimate, reasonable voices are being banned, shadow-banned, or demonitized, simply because they are not convenient to the wishes of Google, Facebook and Twitter. It's time for regulation or trust-busting. Monopolies in critical sectors such as communications and transportation have always been regulated in the US.

[Catweazle]

@an_dz said in Not again, Microsoft!:

@ayespy Chrome OS doesn't allow any other browsers apart from Google Chrome.

That is not logical at all, since Chromium is also a product of Google

[An_dz]

@catweazle They want to obtain all data from the user, so they force the non-opensource version.

[CantankRus]

@elviog
Embarking on the delights of taking back ownership of your PC with Linux.

[a3ano]

And again and now for some mobile browsers (e.g. Opera and Chrome)

Submitted five days ago on Opera Mobile forum "Context menu: Search hijacked after installing Edge."

Dear readers,

Opera for Android is my browser of choice on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 tablet and HTC 10 smartphone.
After installing Edge (no, no, only for testing ) I noticed that the Search in the (long press) context menu is redirected from "search with Google in Opera" to "search with Bing in Edge".

I want my previous action restored.
Removing Edge is a possibility because the previous "search" action is reverted again but it would be nice to have the "search" to my liking (i.e. definitely not Bing).

I received some investigation feedback (from neetesha) that leads to the impression that Microsoft actually hijacked the context search.
And this is in a end-user production environment and I am, as far as I know, not able to change this back on a non-rooted/non-development device.

Regards, a3ano
O, and before I forget to mention it:
Vivaldi is my browser of choice on Windows and Ubuntu.

[linfan]

@meymigrou:I totally agree. The mainstreem cellular phone industry seems to favor Android. Android has sold its soul to Google. Google intrudes on the privacy of people. Android is also closed source, so you cannot do so much about it. Choosing between Microsoft and Android/Google, I will always choose Microsoft. I don't like Edge, though, but any nagging to use it I have not come across except with new installs. I am also an insider. And as to configurability, I experience Windows 10 to be more customizable than Android, unless you root it and/or install LineageOS or some other open source version of Android on it in order to get rid of Google bloatwear. I, too, have been using Linux, and still do, since 1999, for 10 years solely without any windows, but I do not believe that Linux will conquer the markets in my life time, due to the closed source restrictions, which would intrude on the livelihood of other tech industries, unless, which is very unlikely, they start a war against Microsoft and Google/Android. To put it short: I can customize Windows to allow me to use Vivaldi and give me higher privacy overall. That is not true about Google/Android, except for the possibility to install Qwant on it for brower and inactivate as many bloat apps as possible - inactivate, yes, because I cannot uninstall them. Speaking about nagging, yeah, Google/Android by far wins over Windows.

[Catweazle]

WinowsPhone is not at all a bad OS for a smartphone, it is with distance the most secure OS that exists for this type of devices, so much that it does not even need an AV (and therefore there is not one for this system), like Android or IOS , much simpler to hack and invade by malicious people than WindowsPhone, as shown in a hacker convention to test the security of different OS. While they only needed a few seconds to access the Android and iOS systems, in WP they stuck their teeth against a rock and after half an hour they only managed to access the temporary files, but not the system.
It is very simple and intuitive to handle.
The disadvantage is that the store only has a fraction of applications that Android and iOS and is not updated often, this, along with it is impossible to Jailbreak has led to this OS is disappearing from the market

[luetage]

@catweazle WindowsPhone is abandonware. Of course it's secure, no one cares.

[Ayespy]

@linfan said in Not again, Microsoft!:

Android has sold its soul to Google.

Android is, and was from the beginning, a Google project. They invented it. They control it.

One could say Windows has sold its soul to Microsoft or iOS has sold its soul to Apple. It makes the same amount of sense.

[LonM]

@ayespy I think the very earliest version was separate, but Google quickly snapped it up.

It wasn't really independent long enough to matter either way.