Partner with Proton VPN
HumanoidVivaldionSteroids last edited by Pesala
Hello Vivaldi Team, It would be nice to have a free VPN feature in Vivaldi. Do you think the scientists at CERN that created protonmail and are behing ProtonVPN would be willing to partner with Vivaldi Browser in the future?
desperand last edited by desperand
@HumanoidVivaldionSteroids won't offend or threat you.
I'm against this trash (your idea is not trash, please read below). Because of its extra code, extra bugs, extra problems, extra issues, the extra source for leaking and selling data from 3rd party partner, and so on.
If you think "something will be free" you are very wrong. Everything in the life has its price. If you see something "free" what you can use, be sure that you are already paying via much critical for you currency, via your privacy, life, and so on.
If someone wishes to get VPN, he can always buy ANY of hundreds of provideres around the internet, install and run in 1 click. And price range, service quality, and so on very different and customers have a choice.
Even, if someone does not trust to 3rd party company, he or she can buy a VPS from any provider over the internet, and copy-paste two commands to the terminal (even newbie without knowledge of anything can do it).
Not for advertising, just to show an example: https://github.com/Angristan/OpenVPN-install
HumanoidVivaldionSteroids last edited by HumanoidVivaldionSteroids
I guess you should research who is behind proton vpn. They provide a paid subscription that you can purchase if you wish. https://protonvpn.com/about They are the scientists in Switzerland that fight online censorship, help activits and dissidents or any other person that needs private communications. I can certainly emphasize and agree with your point but this is just not the case here. Here's more information about them and their technology:
desperand last edited by desperand
@HumanoidVivaldionSteroids no, I don't believe in the childish ideas which come from maximalize and humanity.
As I see, these guys (not only company mentioned by you but almost all) just doing business. This is a method of doing business and taking a money from customers.
All that they are doing is a trap.
Look, have you been internet bullied? I was. I can tell you hell a lot of things related to privacy and in how dirty world we are living on. But for what?
You need to decide about against what thingsyou need to be protected. Not "abstract things", but about focused aimed target. For example, you wish to be protected against DDoS attacks against your IP address and turning off you from the internet by script kiddies, okay, VPN will be okay for you.
But if you decide to be protected in terms of privacy via just single VPN, but around you still in the history tons of information from your life, your comments, your minds, your photos, and so on. How hell you be protected? You will not be, and all information published on the internet will be used against you. So if you wish to be protected against second thing above, you should create a fake identity and post from it, which is not related to your main on, with fake grammar, with fame phrases, punctuation, and so on.
If you wish to be protected against trackers from advertising networks, social networks which already have full information about your life and you are. You can't.
If you wish to stay private from special forces and security forces - you can't too, because this is hell big difference and budgets for doing different campaigns.
The difference between some script kiddie which wish to bully you, , offend, thread, and make your life bad and if compare it to professional programmer hired for work at special forces, this is the mega huge difference.
Just decide what are you really wish to.
Because for example, you need to keep your real life private, that means:
- don't publish your photos/messages from accounts related to you
- have different email addresses on different sites, because big sites hacked and leaked very frequently, and it is very easy to trace who is an author of an account.
- don't have direct internet contact or send private messages to any girls/people who you know or publish ANY information which can and will be 100% hurt you. For example, nude photos sharing with GF, or BF, funny stories and so on.
- Do not upload any photos with EXIF tags on photos, because it is can be a reason of real-life hunting for you because people will know exactly your address.
- Turn off geo-location
- use VPN all the day
- Do not use any skype/discord / WhatsApp / other apps, because all of them leaks your REAL IP address
- Don't send emails from mail clients, because they leak your REAL IP address ip in header
- Don't visit suggested sites, because you can miss spyware images (1x1 pixels) in for example signature which will leak your IP, browser, browser different hidden tricks like your unique hardware and so on.
- Do not open images, files from 3rd party people even if they do not damage your PC.
- Do not install any antivirus software, because many of them have a lot of security holes which can leak your PC
- turn off different favicon grabbing in your apps what you are using
- do not trust people and don't share information with them what can hurt you.
How many of all of you did to protect yourself?
I'm too busy and lazy, but I can show you real example based on your real identity case with leaking mostly all of your life by spending maybe 1-2 days for finding info about you, maybe more (depends on complexity), plus extra few months, and you will be guarantee leak some info which will hurt you.
Look, let me explain what I'm trying to say with my very bad English.
Privacy is an abstract word. Need to define a target for WHO we need to keep safe our privacy, and what kind of information we need to protect and how. VPN just instrument to hide IP address, nothing more. In some cases, it can be very important and helpful, but mostly in all others - no.
And by adding VPN software into the browser, can be opened a very big security hole from 3rd party software vendor.
Morg42 last edited by
I concur in not integrating VPN into the browser. Apart from complexity, this is already implemented in most OS, and if "my" standard is not supported, there are many free and non-free apps to enable VPN access.
If I really see the need to use VPN, only using it in the browser is quite short-sighted. A proper implementation might - might - reroute the complete browser DNS queries - but this means that for every platform, the browser need its own DNS resolver - another standard software which the OS already has.
Choose the VPN service of your choice, use OS integrated VPN and route all your traffic through the VPN - the browser doesn't even need to know it uses a VPN.
Sometimes I get the feeling some people mistake the browser for a complete OS... (but at the same time rant against ChromeOS, which implements this). Let the browser do a browser's work and the OS an OS's work...
@desperant: While I can sympathize with your experiences and would promote most of your suggestions, I don't agree on general bashing of ProtonVPN. Of course the people behind it want to make money, but there are no VPN services who don't. And ProtonVPN (the company behind which also offers ProtonMail, which has been highly acclaimed) has quite a lot of good aspects.
This doesn't say anything about if it's the best provider for you or for someone else. But I would rank it relatively high amongst other VPN services...