Solved Sessions Panel

aach1

V had something special with sessions, but now it looks pretty clunky and underdeveloped when you compare to the Collections in Edge. Losing ground, and some or all of the bullet list here would regain the lead.

Steffie

@roti said in Sessions Panel:

mod, autosaving current session, but it creates a new session in every 5 minutes

A few days ago i deployed this, & @LonM kindly added some more cool tweaks to it. I also deployed the associated Advanced Panels mod. They are working great.

As for the 5' objection you raised, the user can easily tweak this shorter or longer. Yes i get your point that it's still a time-based not activity-based trigger, but c'mon, really... under what usage scenario would you not be able to recover from some crisis crash by loading your session from 5' [or 4/3/2/1'] ago, aided if necessary with the trashcan [+ your memory]?

sahands

I've been looking for editable sessions for years, but never came to vivaldi , so for years I've been using the freshstart - session manager extension instead

molex

Nice feature. It will be cool if developers implement two types of sessions. One type, as implemented now, when session with all tabs are unloaded and saved. And the second kind, when the user does not want to unload the tabs, but need to free up space on the tab bar. In this case, opera and firefox workspaces are great. You can make shortcuts to spaces on the sidebar and quickly switch between them without opening the menu - fewer clicks more productivity and speed. Yes, Vivaldi has a grouping of tabs, but sometimes workspaces are more convenient.

Pesala

@molex said in Sessions Panel:

And the second kind, when the user does not want to unload the tabs, but need to free up space on the tab bar.

Why not just move them to a new window?

molex

@Pesala Probably, I will not give serious arguments. But workspaces are just easier to use in some work scenarios. Another plus for me is the ability to save space on the windows taskbar - I use wide tiles and don't always want to open an additional window. Another small advantage is the ability to avoid butthert when you accidentally closed the window (not close the browser with exit).
And I see that many opera users say: "I use opera only because workspaces" - great opportunity to entice them.

roti

@Pesala When you close all the opened windows, only the tabs from the last opened winow will re-open next time. The other window's tabs will lost.

Pesala

@roti If you Startup with the last session, all closed windows will be reopened. Use File, Exit, not the Window close button. If you want to save a set of tabs to reopen later, save it as a session.

Killy.MXI

@Pesala
A kindly reminder that the current tab management in Vivaldi is terribly insufficient.
Sessions in their current state are stuck in the last century.
Other browsers at least trying to provide something more convenient. Although I'm yet to see a completely hassle-free and smooth workflow with live sessions.

I don't want to save and reopen tabs - I want them just being where I left them when I need them. And don't stand in the way and don't waste resources when I don't need them. All without extra attention from my side and no risks to accidentally lose a session... (by closing something in a wrong way or forgetting to manually save something).

The damn thing is solved ages ago in the tools used to develop Vivaldi itself - IDEs have the concept of projects and keep each project state so we can get back to it without extra effort. Why it's so hard to understand the same thing for browsers?

(In fact, while writing this, Vivaldi (3.5.2088.7) is challenging my patience with totally broken tabs for almost a week already. Any emotional response is the result of this frustration. I hope something good is coming out of this. Don't disappoint me.)

Pesala

@Killy-MXI People have unrealistic expectations. From this comes constant disappointment.

Killy.MXI

@Pesala This is insulting thing to say.

You better say "It can't be bone because of this and that." so I could correct my expectations.

At this point I mostly disappointed by poor communication.

Pesala

@Killy-MXI said in Sessions Panel:

This is insulting thing to say.

I tried to avoid disrupting this thread by sending you a PM, but if you want, we can discuss it in public.

In my message I said: “Look again at your own insulting comments before pointing the finger at me.”

@ Pesala A kindly reminder that the current tab management in Vivaldi is terribly insufficient. Sessions in their current state are stuck in the last century.
The damn thing is solved ages ago in the tools used to develop Vivaldi itself - IDEs have the concept of projects and keep each project state so we can get back to it without extra effort. Why it's so hard to understand the same thing for browsers?

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the tabs open. As I said, “Why not just move them to a new window?” That is a simple way to divide groups of tabs into separate projects:

I don't want to save and reopen tabs - I want them just being where I left them when I need them. And don't stand in the way and don't waste resources when I don't need them.

Since each Tab runs in a separate process, I suspect that using resources is unavoidable, though one can hibernate background tabs.

Most things can be done given enough developers, and enough time, but this request has been around a long time and is the most upvoted of all requests, yet it has not been implemented yet. Maybe it is not as easy as you think it is to satisfy everyone’s expectations?

Killy.MXI

“Look again at your own insulting comments before pointing the finger at me.”

I stand by my opinion: I didn't attack anyone by my initial comment. Any annoyance was addressed to software. And it is an important conversation tool when we speak about user experience.
Your comment, on the other hand, was personal and disparaging of users. And in my opinion that makes it pretty low for a person wearing a title that is intended to help building bridges between the company and it's users.

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the tabs open.

Performance. Around 500 hibernated tabs is the boundary where Vivaldi becomes unbearably slow (For the old Opera that was around 2000 tabs);
Lack of focus. Groups are of partial help here, but a lot of small issues prevent their efficient use;
In fact, I don't want this many tabs at any single moment of time. Tab hoarding is just what kinda works with the current tech. I want the software to offer a better workflow. No current tools offer that.

I've written about existing features before:

The takeaway is still the same: I'm aware of existing features and none of them are satisfactory.

Most things can be done given enough developers, and enough time, but this request has been around a long time and is the most upvoted of all requests, yet it has not been implemented yet. Maybe it is not as easy as you think it is to satisfy everyone’s expectations?

This doesn't mean I can't keep nudging.

First, I want to share my experience and expectations in hope to get the (hopefully eventually implemented) feature closer to my needs;
second, I can't see an acknowledgement of the importance of this and any roadmap, while I see some "bells and whistles" being added instead, presented as the biggest achievements... It grows my irritation.

Pesala

@Killy-MXI said in Sessions Panel:

I didn't attack anyone by my initial comment.

Only the developers, but you quoted me, which invited a response from me. I gave a generic reply that applies to all users and all feature requests. It sure beats me why you regard that as insulting.

You could have discussed it by replying to my PM, but chose to insult me in public instead, so I reply in public too.

Vivaldi is not Old Opera. Like Chrome, it uses one process for each tab, and another for each extension.
Tab Stacks, Tab Tiling, and separate windows, can all help. It is the best that is available at the moment.
No doubt there are extensions, but they only lead to more problems to deal with.

Unrealistic hopes, and expectations lead to disappointment. The team is small, and there are over 3,100 feature requests. Do you think that you're the only one here who has features that are important to them?
The Pipeline tag is an indication that they will implement this feature eventually, but it is not currently In Progress.

Believe me when I say that nudging has no effect. I have been nudging for five years for the Vivaldi Team to give more feedback, to go through and tag feature requests more thoroughly, and comment on the most popular requests. It has had very little effect.

I am not your enemy. Your impatience does not help your case.

barbudo2005

Sorry, but I consider that the statement "People have unrealistic expectations. From this comes constant disappointment" is definitely NOT a "insulting thing to say"; and of course NOT a "indecent behavior".

Instead it is a absolute realistic statement that consider that there are 3000+ requests, the Vivaldi team is small and that Vivaldi is a fantastic browser that is NOT the "perfect browser" for each one of the million people that use it, would like to have.

Steffie

What was this thread about again? I think i've forgotten.

barbudo2005

@Steffie

Sometimes you must talk about the people of Vivaldi and not only about the software of Vivaldi.

Gaëlle

Thanks everyone for your input on this request. @Killy-MXI we hear your frustration and sorry for not delivering faster on this one.

Here's some input for everyone: In the future, please ask questions and ping some me so that I can give more input. It's more constructive for everyone.

For example regarding this request in particular, we recently discussed with the dev team and pointed it out. They have quite a lot in their backlog at this stage but we will be pushing for it so that they manage to prioritize it. We'll keep you updated once we have more to share. Thanks for being patient with us.

Killy.MXI

Thank you.
With this I got the acknowledgement so I can wait for updates patiently.

Pflyg

Hi, just wanted to say I really miss a way to better organise sessions. What I am really looking for is to be able to close a window and reeopen it later when I need it again. Sessions in its current form kind of make this possible, but not really.