My friends at Google: it is time to return to not being evil

Ayespy

@gt500 Q: So there should be no laws and no regulation?

paragon

@epipping thank you for letting me know this mate, I appreciate it! I did not know that. Will take another look at DuckDuckGo.

Love the resourcefulness and diverse range of opinions being discussed in our Vivaldi community. @Jon it is a pleasure to see, and I look forward to contributing wherever I can to the Vivaldi initiative. Thank you and your team for your perseverance

Cqoicebordel

@keiro Ah. Didn't know that (I'm french). But all the products are based on open source alternatives to the Google's (and others') ones. So at least, you can get the names of the alternatives, and find other places where they are in english. For example, Framabee, their search engine (https://framabee.org/) is based on searx, that you can use at https://searx.me
And it's the case for most of the tools. If you don't find what you want, don't hesitate to ask me for specifics
Edit : You can find more info at https://degooglisons-internet.org/liste

Zodius

We stand with Jon ad Vivaldi!

someone

Despite my relation to Google and their products (though they indeed have great ones, I avoid them wherever possible) your statement is remarkable and exceptional!

My deepest respect for doing that in this clear and concise way in the public!

Truth is, it's only us, the users and customers who can try to create an impact for a change to the better. But as long something is for free .....

someone

luetage

Google's "Don't be evil." motto was always suspicious. I still wonder how the dynamics to fight and lock out competition develop. Because it seems to "happen" to all companies leading in a field.

Ayespy

@luetage Human nature. The accumulation of wealth and power is addictive.

rigo

@luca247 not yet. Is there a native telegram client for SFOS?

sigmund14

This came the right time as I'm watching Mr. Robot series. The situation seems so similar to a situation in that series. I just wish we could do something, but currently, it seems like nothing nice helps.

Ayespy

@dystopiandaze the problem with the concept of relying on "free market" forces to regulate corporate abuses is that the power of multinational corporations is huge, and it is organized. The only similarly capable (similarly large and organized) forces are those of governments.

The forces of the individual private participants in the market(s) are small, and they are not (nor can they be) organized. It is possible for trend, fads and "movements" to develop, and sporadically they do, but they are never as well-organized, as powerful, or as effectively-directed as the forces of moneyed and political power.

This is why we have governments and laws (like, say, anti-trust laws) - to organize and concentrate the power of individual people against foreign enemies, against natural forces, against insuperable time and distance, against crime and criminal enterprise, and against corporate abuse as needed. You see, for the most part, governments ARE us users and consumers, expressing our will in organized fashion with sufficient collected resources to win the day against other large and organized forces.

The natural endpoint of capitalism is and always has been a single predominant winner, ie monopoly. "Choice," "variety," and "competition" are only transitory steps along the way from the invention or development of a product or service, and its eventual provision by the single winner in the "natural selection" game of capitalism. There are always more brands and providers in the early days of an idea or technology, and then fewer and fewer as time goes on and the strong devour the weak, until only one remains. If we are to enjoy the benefits of capitalism and also survive its excesses, regulation by an entity stronger than the corporation is required. (If we want to enjoy or reap benefits from the ocean and yet survive storm surge, a sea wall is often necessary. How do we get a sea wall? We pay taxes and the government builds it.)

And you say you are "seeing some good alternatives." Personally, I doubt it. I've explored several alternatives. So far, all are decidedly bad. But that could change.

luca247

@rigo weeeeeeell, there is sailorgram that cover basic functions and the telepathy integration which kinda works for text messages...anyway a new client called mercury is in the works...other than the android one if you have alien dalvik installed...i'll give you the link to the group if you are interested

GT500

@ayespy: Have you ever read Ron Paul's "The Revolution: A Manifesto"? Or perhaps Murray Rothbard's "New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto"? If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, and think I'm advocating lawlessness, then those books should explain it, and far better than I can in a blog comment.

Or, you could just continue to attack anyone who doesn't ascribe to your political philosophy. That does seem to be the norm, even around here, doesn't it?

Ayespy

@gt500 said in My friends at Google: it is time to return to not being evil:

Or, you could just continue to attack anyone who doesn't ascribe to your political philosophy.

This is not something I do.

Rudric

Google seems to be following in the footsteps of MS.
The horrid stagnation they keep Chrome in is just horrid.
In early 2000 Firefox wasn't a real option to Americans then because open source is (was) communism, hence the rise of Chrome, and Google/Alphabet.

Rudric

@stb
Small business? You could probably manage with Office 2003 or 2007
Could Office Online suit your needs?

Also have you checked Open Office and the likes?

Rudric

@dystopiandaze

Google, FB and Twitter ~ oh dear heavens the earth is in turmoil.

Have u ppl seen Twitter front page when not logged in... It looks like some new world order news desk with Mc"news" and pictures of the 3rd in line to the British crown.

Catweazle

ksx4system

@stevecarr123 said in My friends at Google: it is time to return to not being evil:

Lookseek.com

There's qwant.com too

Rudric

@catweazle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVtUw5wToA

mossman

@luetage said in My friends at Google: it is time to return to not being evil:

I still wonder how the dynamics to fight and lock out competition develop. Because it seems to "happen" to all companies leading in a field.

Because if you follow the capitalistic logic through to its conclusion then that is the end goal. And that's why pure capitalism is definitely not the best way to run society in my opinion.

People who have an idealistic belief that the market can solve everything seem to have no grasp of consequences and the bigger picture.