Mail M3?

CWM030

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Blackbird

@blackbird IMAP wouldn't be a problem for you then.. Because all of your email is stored on a server...

But I don't operate my own server, and I certainly don't own/possess the cloud's server. While many folks may be satisfied with cloud-based data, long and hard experience has taught me to not rely on 2nd-party data retention if it "really, truly, positively matters" - and backups/guaranteed-access DO matter. I create/verify my own backups in multiple ways and on multiple media types, then I store some of them in multiple, private off-site locations; POP3 enables me to do that. YMMV.

saudiqbal

Mail needs to come soon even without POP3

derDay

@saudiqbal said in Mail M3?:

Mail needs to come soon even without POP3

that's your opinion

FloridaMatt

@cwm030 said in Mail M3?:

@blackbird IMAP wouldn't be a problem for you then.. Because all of your email is stored on a server.. .All you got to do is input your imap settings and viola! There's all your emails!

Yeah, stored on a server. In the Cloud, even. Both are just Someone Else's Computer. And what gets hacked, day after day? Someone Else's Computer.

Now frankly I'm not all that concerned about a hacker reading the content of my emails, but I don't like to expose all my correspondents' email addresses to possible compromise. And I don't particularly want to have to deal with backing up my emails outside of my email client.

So I'll patiently wait for a better pop3 email client than thunderbird, since I just don't have enough motivation to write my own.

Morg42

@floridamatt said in Mail M3?:

Now frankly I'm not all that concerned about a hacker reading the content of my emails, but I don't like to expose all my correspondents' email addresses to possible compromise.

Then you might want to think about another medium for messages. Emails including all sender and recipient addresses (even encrypted mails) can be read by anyone included in the transport chain... SCNR.

And I don't particularly want to have to deal with backing up my emails outside of my email client.

True... but with IMAP, chances are your mails are stored on mirrored and regularly backed-up drives. Do you have the same safety measures at home? Also, remotely stored mails can't be deleted so easily by malicious software.

On the other hand, you can't access IMAP mails with your router down...

mossman

@cwm030 said in Mail M3?:

I just cant get myself to switch to IMAP... I've used pop3 for YEAAAARS and dont mind backing up my files to dropbox nightly.

I know I should probably get with the times and upgrade but I just cant. I don't know why.

My advice is don't do it!

My experience with mail is that every provider will go bust or lose your mail by accident one day. Much better to back it up yourself if you can - so I POP when possible.

CWM030

@gwen-dragon omg people still use Opera 12? Wouldn't that be like using IE 6 since presto is dead?

Meaning that eventually O12 will get like IE 6 and wont be able to render pages right anymore?

Blackbird

@cwm030 said in Mail M3?:

@gwen-dragon omg people still use Opera 12? Wouldn't that be like using IE 6 since presto is dead? Meaning that eventually O12 will get like IE 6 and wont be able to render pages right anymore?

Many users see software as a tool, not a fashion trend. If the tool is accomplishing the work intended, they will continue using it until it starts causing too many problems or becomes unsafe. Opera 12.18 is still almost entirely safe (apart from Spectre/Meltdown mitigation), but for some users it's now presenting increasing compatibility problems. However, for those whom it suffices, it remains a useful tool. I still use it almost daily as a customizable analytic tool for helping others with certain web problems. Moreover, its Dragonfly is almost without equal.

Pesala

@cwm030 We use it for its email client. There is no need to use it for browsing. However, I still use it for:

Editing local HTML files
Opening pages with other browsers
Launching other applications with mnemonic shortcuts

otto

@Ayespy

Is M3 on the roadmap for 2019?

I would be more than happy with a basic IMAP client. Then later, to be able to forward a URL or insert the webpage content (like Safari on macOS) into a new message would be a welcome feature.

Support of Exchange would be awesome (for work) and I know of a few Linux users who would welcome this

Ayespy

@otto The Vivaldi roadmap does not contain dates. M3 is getting heavy emphasis. If a basic IMAP client were the target (depending on the definition of "basic") it would already be out.

Discussion of anticipated abilities and support is not in the cards. It will be released, the Vivaldi team will be flooded with requests and demands as to what more it should have or be able to do, and we will go from there.

Motionshot

@Ayespy said in Mail M3?:

@otto The Vivaldi roadmap does not contain dates.

Technically, no. But both in another topic called "An Open Letter to Jon" and in a recent article from CNet, Jon confirmed that M3 will come in 2019. So no exact date, but he did confirm that M3 is on the roadmap for 2019.

luetage

@Motionshot M3 was on the roadmap for 2018 too and the article doesn't promise a release in 2019. I'm sure they would like to release it this year though. All the while I would have loved to use inbuilt mail 3 years ago… : P

jon

@Motionshot , we are getting closer. Obviously I have been using M3 for a pretty long time now and so have a number of people inside Vivaldi and some Sopranos. It does most things I need it to do, but there are still bugs to fix and there are still features to add. We do hope to release this year and personally I think we will, but it has to be ready.

Does ready mean it will have all the features everyone wants? No. We will release a first version that does a lot of cool stuff and then we improve on that.

Cheers,
Jon.

otto

@Motionshot Thanks for the reference. You made my day!

otto

@jon Thanks for confirming this. I'm really looking forward to having a native mail client as part of Vivaldi, like in the old days.

SbbKbb

@jon

Can you assure me/us that after M3 comes and possibly the Vivaldi version for Win7 x64 actually look like it belongs here and not in Win10 your management wont conclude that the user-base is low and that you will throw all away and start/split/abandon <Vivaldi like Opera and star new?

I dont think im willing to wait another 10 years for my browser so someone can throw half or more its user-base under the bus and give them the middle finger? No offense Jon,especially to you.I Admire you and your will. Thank you!!!!

jon

@SbbKbb , I am trying to make sure I understand your question. Clearly Vivaldi is all about individual requirements.

With regards to M3, our goal is for M3 to be an integral part of Vivaldi. We were all disappointed that M2 got cancelled after I left Opera.

If your question is about OS support, we try to our best ability to support platforms as widely and as long as possible. We did that during my time at Opera, where we supported older OS versions for longer than the OS vendor. Now, as we are based on Chromium, we are dependent on Chromium to continue supporting the OS in question. If Chromium stops supporting an OS version, it will likely become hard for us to continue doing so for a long time as the code changes and maintenance becomes harder.

Cheers,
Jon.

kurai

@jon 1. Will there be public testing of the M3?
2. Is there a desire / opportunity from Vivaldi developers to buy M2 and continue its development?