Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi
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I am confused, if you click on that new VPN button, will Proton VPN extension be installed without any confirmation? This is pretty bad imo
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@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@Stardust, even in this case it is inactive and renovable like any oyher extension, also with an click,
This is not good installing something without user confirmation
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Only in Windows?
Just went to my repo manager and updated all. No new Vivaldi.Edit:
PCLinuxOS XFCE. -
When connected to ProtonVPN, need change some settings ?
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@Stardust the best, as it remains always open, thus always protecting your privacy and freedoms and the collaboration is for the common good and not for some company who uses "open-source" suckers for its own profit. This is also a common misconception point for the Microsoft Windows' crowd.
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Is it possible to be active on one site and inactive on another?
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So... just clicking on the fancy new button installs and enables a random extension without the usual permission/confirmation dialog? And the extension silently remains running in the background even when the icon is removed unless user goes to extensions and uninstall it? Whether the developers trust proton, and whether the actual VPN is enabled is irrelevant. This is adware, plain and simple. Who even asked for this shitty feature?
I've been daily driving vivaldi from nearly the start of the project - and while many things have annoyed me over the years, I always came back to it. But this is simply a deal-breaker. If devs are willing to install this random freemium third party extension on my system without warning, why should I trust them to install nothing else? It's sad to things have come to this - guess enshittification just can't be beaten.
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@pukkandan said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
If devs are willing to install this random freemium third party extension on my system without warning, why should I trust them to install nothing else? It's sad to things have come to this - guess enshittification just can't be beaten.
There should be some warning or confirmation 100%
For me enshittification started few months ago when they added affiliate links bloatware in Add New Speed Dial dialog without any option to disable or hide it
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No thank you.
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The code for email is there whether you enable it or not.
but it not visible and does't install anyrhing without consent, it's not even there until I decide I want to have it.
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@luetage said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:Even if the extension is installed, the extension and therefore the feature is not enabled without signing up first.
mine has been enable after I clicked on it. It is simply unclear for any user how this works. No comfirmation, nothing. Even hiding this button will not deactivate or remove the extension.
How can you not see this is adware behaviour? Where even is the privacy policy for this 3rd party login?
Privacy you can trust it says on the welcome page but all of this is untrustworthy. -
I love Vivaldi and I love Proton. Great choice!
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@chillZ said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
No confirmation, nothing. Even hiding this button will not deactivate or remove the extension.
Only a message that it is initialising…
I agree that the button should not install an extension and enable it without any warning. Even the tooltip Proton VPN does not indicate that it will install an extension and enable it.
If you right-click and remove the icon, before clicking it, that would prevent accidental installation, but that is not a satisfactory policy. New users will likely click it to see what it does.
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Understand it with this image:
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While I think this feature is a great addition and it benefits both companies, installing an extension without the usual confirmation dialog is just plain wrong. Having to explain the mechanism in the comment section instead of the blog post is also wrong. What is happening to Vivaldi nowadays?
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I don't know why, but it seems to me that many of those who are complaining about Proton, are the same ones who have been complaining because Vivaldi did not incorporate uBO built-in or did not maintain MV2, and are planning to leave in June. Don't suffer any more and don't get your nerves upset, it's bad for your heart
, leave today.PS: This red heart
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I don't really see how this improves the user experience. All it does is add an apparently redundant icon—which silently installs a third-party extension without the usual permission/confirmation dialog, I might add—and enable users to login using their Vivaldi credentials. Meanwhile, there is a built-in ad blocker that is very underpowered and unable to keep up with changing anti-ad block strategies, especially on YouTube, and Vivaldi could adopt Brave's free and open source ad block engine, which is light-years better, but they don't.
Ad blockers have been greatly hindered by Google, so ad blocking extensions are no longer a great solution, though still better, even the manifest 3-compliant ones, than the built-in ad blocker, and there are other VPN brands besides Proton, so the number of people who will benefit from Proton integration is probably quite small. Way more people would benefit from a better built-in ad blocker, as well as anti-fingerprinting capabilities, which are only useful when built into a browser and enabled by default, as otherwise, they make people more unique and identifiable, as I understand it.
All that said, I can grant that this partnership may lead to more revenue and more good updates in the future, hopefully major ad block improvements as well as anti-fingerprinting capabilities, but the blog post doesn't discuss how this partnership might impact future updates, and as far as I am aware, there has been no information about upcoming major ad block improvements or the addition of anti-fingerprinting capabilities.
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I tried it and it promptly locked me out of my system update sites. It would only allow me to select US and required an "upgrade" to actually use my home country which would allow access to my ugdate sites. I'm not knocking VPN's they work great when they work (apart from one instance of a paid VPN locking me out of my bank after it's 3rd "update"). I had to revert to a previous backup to regain functionality.
Running LMDE 6 debian linux version.
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Probably should have incorporated it into some Snapshots to see what a more palatable implementation would be. And this is coming from someone who already has the extension installed.
I've been noticing a lot of these nudges lately.
Still no beuno for me anyway until that mobile like omnibar gets more time in the oven
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This is wonderful news!
I have a Proton account, but won't upgrade until privacy is understood as the norm -- privacy is not a "premium."
Thanks to Vivaldi and Proton, the BEST is here!
(I'm trying to rid my phone of Bing, which just keeps popping up. I want my Vivaldi running smoothly, protecting everything.)
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