Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi

mathieulefrancois

@CummingCowGirl my post was actually agreeing with you! But yeah I will edit my post to make that more clear

Ruarí

@pgaa TV 2 Play works in the browser in the this Proton extension. I can tell you that because I litterally tried it before my reply. NRK did not work but again, I was using a non-Norwegian localtion so this is to be expected IMHO.

Ruarí

@hauebe What error do you get exactly? Perhaps provide a screenshot as well as that might have some clues.

electryon

@16patsle
It won't have to be a MV3 extension.
Adguard Inc is a very capable company and if they are asked to make an embeddable adblocker library of Adguard (something like Brave Shields or Ghostery's embeddable adblocker library), they can do it.
Like they are capable to create multiple apps and solutions for their ad blocker libraries.
But someone would have to ask first for it:)

Theovojik

Proton subscription price is 6.66 - 14.99 euro per month depending on the plan. Just sayin in case someone (like me) thought it is free

CummingCowGirl

@Theovojik said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:

Proton subscription price is 6.66 - 14.99 euro per month depending on the plan. Just sayin in case someone (like me) thought it is free

The version in Vivaldi is free. Once signed in it said NOTHING about a trial period or paying upfront.

paul1149

If this is simply an extension, then wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it is 'included with' Vivaldi, rather than 'built into'? It also would clue people in on how to disable the feature quickly.

Catweazle

@CummingCowGirl, Proton VPN is free forever, no trial, no datalimits, but the free version has limited features and you can't select the server, it only select automaticly the nearest and fastest one. But you have full proyection and privacy (no ads or logs).
Proton is OpenSource, but most server cost money, because of this it can't offer the full service for free, no serious VPN can't.
All other VPNs are in it's free version are way more limited as Proton (data limits, ads, logs....)

groovehead

@CummingCowGirl said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:

Nothing wrong with the Proton products.

If Proton fits your threat model, I'm happy for you.

Catweazle

@paul1149, easy, log out and delete it from the Bar if you don't want it.

Ruarí

@paul1149: Well these is integration work not just the dedicated button but also things like the login stuff. So it is slightly more than included with. And any way the extension itself is not included with, we fetch it on the fly if you try and use it.

funtaril

Hello, I'd like my browser to not integrate 3rd-party apps into itself without my consent.
I don't want to have such app "sleeping", "deactivated" or whatever else you could call it. I'd like to not have it at all.
Is that possible or should I look for another browser after 10 years with Vivaldi?

Edit: found out that it's only extension and not permanent browser component. However I still strongly condemn such business practices.

By the way, here are permissions that this extension has right after its undisclosed activation by me clicking the button on toolbar. Without my consent. Very grim sign.

electryon

@funtaril said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:

Hello, I'd like my browser to not integrate 3rd-party apps into itself without my consent.

I don't want to have such app "sleeping", "deactivated" or whatever else you could call it. I'd like to not have it at all.

Is that possible or should I look for another browser after 10 years with Vivaldi?It doesn't install any 3rd party apps.

An extension is not an app.
Vivaldi in case you don't know already comes with many extensions pre-installed.
Vivaldi itself is a chromium extension:)
They do NOT install any system wide application and they do not mess with your system by installing 3rd party apps and windows services.
You are confusing Vivaldi with a bloatware known as Brave.

macadoum

Unwanted imposition of an extension is not a good idea.

I don't want my browser to install things I don't want nor asked for.

This sends a bad signal to your user base.

macadoum

@Catweazle Why not ask I want a VPN in the first place ? I don't want Vivaldi to install things in the background for me.

electryon

@macadoum said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:

Unwanted imposition of an extension is not a good idea.

I don't want my browser to install things I don't want nor asked for.

This sends a bad signal to your user base.

So they should also disable or remove the PDF viewer too?
Chromium PDF viewer is a chromium extension that comes pre-installed.
I don't like PDF, they installed this extension without asking and they should not include that bloat:)

CummingCowGirl

@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:

@CummingCowGirl, Proton VPN is free forever, no trial, no datalimits, but the free version has limited features and you can't select the server, it only select automaticly the nearest and fastest one. But you have full proyection and privacy (no ads or logs).
Proton is OpenSource, but most server cost money, because of this it can't offer the full service for free, no serious VPN can't.
All other VPNs are in it's free version are way more limited as Proton (data limits, ads, logs....)

I said it was free. There was no reason to come across like I didn't say that. As for the limited features as I said seem to work just fine.

oudstand

@macadoum as mentioned multiple times in this thread: Vivaldi just installs the extension, when you interact with the VPN. Before it's just a button you can remove.

DoctorG

I see many complains on unwanted feature VPN.
But what to do?
I saw posts where users want that Vivaldi browser creators always should ask users when they add new features? Or should they disable it, so no person can explore them?

The extension is a nice gift, not a poisonous insect which kill user's browser.

16patsle

@macadoum The extension is only installed if you click the button. It could maybe be more transparent, but it is an important differentiation that it is not installed entirely automatically