Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi
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If this is simply an extension, then wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it is 'included with' Vivaldi, rather than 'built into'? It also would clue people in on how to disable the feature quickly.
Current Vivaldi snapshot.. MX-23 Linux x64, KDE desktop.
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@CummingCowGirl, Proton VPN is free forever, no trial, no datalimits, but the free version has limited features and you can't select the server, it only select automaticly the nearest and fastest one. But you have full proyection and privacy (no ads or logs).
Proton is OpenSource, but most server cost money, because of this it can't offer the full service for free, no serious VPN can't.
All other VPNs are in it's free version are way more limited as Proton (data limits, ads, logs....)>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@CummingCowGirl said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Nothing wrong with the Proton products.
If Proton fits your threat model, I'm happy for you.
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@paul1149, easy, log out and delete it from the Bar if you don't want it.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@paul1149: Well these is integration work not just the dedicated button but also things like the login stuff. So it is slightly more than included with. And any way the extension itself is not included with, we fetch it on the fly if you try and use it.
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Hello, I'd like my browser to not integrate 3rd-party apps into itself without my consent.
I don't want to have such app "sleeping", "deactivated" or whatever else you could call it. I'd like to not have it at all.
Is that possible or should I look for another browser after 10 years with Vivaldi?Edit: found out that it's only extension and not permanent browser component. However I still strongly condemn such business practices.
By the way, here are permissions that this extension has right after its undisclosed activation by me clicking the button on toolbar. Without my consent. Very grim sign.
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@funtaril said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Hello, I'd like my browser to not integrate 3rd-party apps into itself without my consent.
I don't want to have such app "sleeping", "deactivated" or whatever else you could call it. I'd like to not have it at all.
Is that possible or should I look for another browser after 10 years with Vivaldi?It doesn't install any 3rd party apps.
An extension is not an app.
Vivaldi in case you don't know already comes with many extensions pre-installed.
Vivaldi itself is a chromium extension:)
They do NOT install any system wide application and they do not mess with your system by installing 3rd party apps and windows services.
You are confusing Vivaldi with a bloatware known as Brave. -
Unwanted imposition of an extension is not a good idea.
I don't want my browser to install things I don't want nor asked for.
This sends a bad signal to your user base.
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@Catweazle Why not ask I want a VPN in the first place ? I don't want Vivaldi to install things in the background for me.
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@macadoum said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Unwanted imposition of an extension is not a good idea.
I don't want my browser to install things I don't want nor asked for.
This sends a bad signal to your user base.
So they should also disable or remove the PDF viewer too?
Chromium PDF viewer is a chromium extension that comes pre-installed.
I don't like PDF, they installed this extension without asking and they should not include that bloat:) -
@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@CummingCowGirl, Proton VPN is free forever, no trial, no datalimits, but the free version has limited features and you can't select the server, it only select automaticly the nearest and fastest one. But you have full proyection and privacy (no ads or logs).
Proton is OpenSource, but most server cost money, because of this it can't offer the full service for free, no serious VPN can't.
All other VPNs are in it's free version are way more limited as Proton (data limits, ads, logs....)I said it was free. There was no reason to come across like I didn't say that. As for the limited features as I said seem to work just fine.
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@macadoum as mentioned multiple times in this thread: Vivaldi just installs the extension, when you interact with the VPN. Before it's just a button you can remove.
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I see many complains on unwanted feature VPN.
But what to do?
I saw posts where users want that Vivaldi browser creators always should ask users when they add new features? Or should they disable it, so no person can explore them?The extension is a nice gift, not a poisonous insect which kill user's browser.
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@macadoum The extension is only installed if you click the button. It could maybe be more transparent, but it is an important differentiation that it is not installed entirely automatically
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@DoctorG said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
I see many complains on unwanted feature VPN.
But what to do?
I saw posts where users want that Vivaldi browser creators always should ask users when they add new features? Or should they disable it, so no person can explore them?Most like myself will be happy with it and not whine about something that does absolutely NOTHING unless it is turned on. So basically whining over NOTHING is what the ones that don't want it are doing.
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@oudstand said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Vivaldi just installs the extension, when you login to the VPN
It installed extension (with enabled permissions) when I pressed toolbar button. I didn't log in, I closed the window that offered me to log in and did nothing else.
PCs: Vivaldi as main, Chrome for Youtube, Firefox for special cases. Win10 22H2, Zen3+RDNA2/Zen2+Vega.
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But Proton (the company) is a registered business in the United States.
There are 200 or so independent countries, territories, and states world-wide. But as you know, corporations do not include terms and conditions for all 200 or so geographical jurisdictions. Businesses only include and worry about the jurisdictions that apply to them.
That said, I would much rather let their own legal documentation speak for itself. Here are their terms concerning Proton. It has whole sections concerning US Customers and US Laws. https://proton.me/wallet/terms A company outside Us Law would not care about American laws, anymore than you would likely care about the law in North Korea, for example.
Proton would like to argue, likely from a public relations standing point, that these terms only apply to Proton Wallet. But that is not how our laws work in the United States. You do not get to pick and choose which department is subject to US Law, anymore than you get to pick which Us Laws you want to follow.
I am really disappointed that Vivaldi Browser, would bundle a company, is clearly subject to Us Laws and Us Jurisdiction.
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Latest version needed, how about Vivaldi Snapshot on Desktop available there, I don't get the VPN toolbar button. Version I'm running: 7.2.3641.3 (Official Build) (64-bit)
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@funtaril sorry, it installs the extension when you click on the button and not after logging in. I've updated my previous post.
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@16patsle Ok but there was no way to know that before clicking the button.
Plus all suggests you to click on the button between the presentation page and the grey button appearing in my extension list
