Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi
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@Catweazle said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
@CummingCowGirl, Proton VPN is free forever, no trial, no datalimits, but the free version has limited features and you can't select the server, it only select automaticly the nearest and fastest one. But you have full proyection and privacy (no ads or logs).
Proton is OpenSource, but most server cost money, because of this it can't offer the full service for free, no serious VPN can't.
All other VPNs are in it's free version are way more limited as Proton (data limits, ads, logs....)I said it was free. There was no reason to come across like I didn't say that. As for the limited features as I said seem to work just fine.
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@macadoum as mentioned multiple times in this thread: Vivaldi just installs the extension, when you interact with the VPN. Before it's just a button you can remove.
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I see many complains on unwanted feature VPN.
But what to do?
I saw posts where users want that Vivaldi browser creators always should ask users when they add new features? Or should they disable it, so no person can explore them?The extension is a nice gift, not a poisonous insect which kill user's browser.
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@macadoum The extension is only installed if you click the button. It could maybe be more transparent, but it is an important differentiation that it is not installed entirely automatically
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@DoctorG said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
I see many complains on unwanted feature VPN.
But what to do?
I saw posts where users want that Vivaldi browser creators always should ask users when they add new features? Or should they disable it, so no person can explore them?Most like myself will be happy with it and not whine about something that does absolutely NOTHING unless it is turned on. So basically whining over NOTHING is what the ones that don't want it are doing.
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@oudstand said in Privacy Without Compromise: Proton VPN is Now Built Into Vivaldi:
Vivaldi just installs the extension, when you login to the VPN
It installed extension (with enabled permissions) when I pressed toolbar button. I didn't log in, I closed the window that offered me to log in and did nothing else.
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But Proton (the company) is a registered business in the United States.
There are 200 or so independent countries, territories, and states world-wide. But as you know, corporations do not include terms and conditions for all 200 or so geographical jurisdictions. Businesses only include and worry about the jurisdictions that apply to them.
That said, I would much rather let their own legal documentation speak for itself. Here are their terms concerning Proton. It has whole sections concerning US Customers and US Laws. https://proton.me/wallet/terms A company outside Us Law would not care about American laws, anymore than you would likely care about the law in North Korea, for example.
Proton would like to argue, likely from a public relations standing point, that these terms only apply to Proton Wallet. But that is not how our laws work in the United States. You do not get to pick and choose which department is subject to US Law, anymore than you get to pick which Us Laws you want to follow.
I am really disappointed that Vivaldi Browser, would bundle a company, is clearly subject to Us Laws and Us Jurisdiction.
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Latest version needed, how about Vivaldi Snapshot on Desktop available there, I don't get the VPN toolbar button. Version I'm running: 7.2.3641.3 (Official Build) (64-bit)
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@funtaril sorry, it installs the extension when you click on the button and not after logging in. I've updated my previous post.
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@16patsle Ok but there was no way to know that before clicking the button.
Plus all suggests you to click on the button between the presentation page and the grey button appearing in my extension list
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@NetscapeNavigator I do not see that Proton is a US company.
https://protonvpn.com/privacy-policy
https://protonvpn.com/blog/transparency-report/I agree, that in these days US politicians and its helpers are going nuts and spying all they can. And, i forgot, other crazy authoritarian countries.
But, as Google and chromium is not so free, there may be US laws that would give access to the "good" US guys and their 5-Eyes Intelligence club.
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@DoctorG You've ignored the URL I provided, provided by Proton themselves.
That said, I would much rather let their own legal documentation speak for itself. Here are their terms concerning Proton. It has whole sections concerning US Customers and US Laws. https://proton.me/wallet/terms A company outside Us Law would not care about American laws, anymore than you would likely care about the law in North Korea, for example.
Proton would like to argue, likely from a public relations standing point, that these terms only apply to Proton Wallet. But that is not how our laws work in the United States. You do not get to pick and choose which department is subject to US Law, anymore than you get to pick which Us Laws you want to follow.
I am really disappointed that Vivaldi Browser, would bundle a company, is clearly subject to Us Laws and Us Jurisdiction.
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@southrock Currently only desktop stable has the VPN, but it will be available in desktop snapshots soon, as soon as it gets a 7.3 version
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I removed your Proton extension from my browser, but now there's big "VPN" button on my toolbar. Every time I press this button, the extension reinstalls and automatically activates itself (with enabled permissions to read any of my data) again. I don't need to do anything else for that.
I can remove the button from the toolbar, it's very easy. But now I know that inside of my browser constantly sits the code for one-click installation of unwanted 3rd-party software, for which I did not give my permission for.
You lost my trust. Hope it was worth it.
Cool slogan on main page, by the way.
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I have been working on a list of businesses outside Us Jurisdiction. On that list is a whole list of VPN providers, outside Us Jurisdiction, which Vivaldi could have easily picked from.
https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/VPN.md
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@NetscapeNavigator From a legal standpoint, the terms for Proton Wallet are irrelevant for you when you are using an entirely different product. And in this case the product is actually provided by a different company (owned by Proton, but the distinction matters). And the terms of service themselves are largely irrelevant when it comes to the jurisdiction a service is subject to, the US (and the EU for that matter) will try to get them to follow local laws regardless of what's in their terms and where they are located. I'm not a lawyer, but I think the essential part here is that since Proton is not a US company, there are rather few things the US can do if Proton chooses not to follow the laws there.
Protons main terms actually explicitly mention the jurisdiction and such too
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As this VPN is an extension, I presume that the mobile version of Vivaldi won't be getting this in the near future, as it doesn't support extensions?
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Not thrilled with the choice of Proton, but I can appreciate this move on a conceptual level at least.
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@16patsle That is now how our laws, work.
You do not get to pick and choose, which division of Proton falls under Us Jurisdiction. Part of your terms cite and are subject to Us Law, which means the whole of Proton can certainly be impacted and influenced by Us Jurisdiction.
That said, I would much rather let their own legal documentation speak for itself. Here are their terms concerning Proton. It has whole sections concerning US Customers and US Laws. https://proton.me/wallet/terms A company outside Us Law would not care about American laws, anymore than you would likely care about the law in North Korea, for example.
