Unread blue text emails vs unread black text emails

paaljoachim

This is what I currently see.

1 level.
New emails I have not clicked/unread have blue text.
Top toolbar: Shows an unread letter icon with a blue dot in it,

2 level
Emails I have clicked/read removes the blue text, but I still see the blue dot on the left side.
Top toolbar: Shows an unread letter icon with a dark dot in it.

3 level
Some emails do not have the blue dot on the left side.
Top toolbar: Shows a read/open letter icon.

I can go to the "folders" (as that is how I relate to it) Unread and Received. I do not see much of a difference in these places. These are almost identical.

There is very little difference from level 1 (text is blue) and level 2 (text is black).

Why are there three levels?
I click an email I expect it to move from unread to read. From the Unread area to the Read area.

But there are two levels of unread. Blue text and then black text both still having the blue dot.

How can I easily get back the blue text to mark an email as unread? Some emails I want to mark as unread with the blue text.

It would be helpful if the above was made more obvious. As it sure is not obvious for me.

WildEnte

@paaljoachim said in Unread blue text emails vs unread black text emails:

How can I easily get back the blue text to mark an email as unread? Some emails I want to mark as unread with the blue text.

this option does not exist. As you said, blue are those emails that are brand new, that you have never even taken a glance at. Vivaldi calls those Unseen. They are a subset of Unread, which are emails that you haven't yet marked as read. You can mark a read email as unread (bold black) but you cannot mark an email as Unseen

paaljoachim

@WildEnte

The thing is that the blue text emails really stand out. I will click and read an email, blue text turns black and it will still keep the blue dot on the left side. Which makes most of my emails seem like they have not been read (still showing a closed letter).

This creates confusion. To make unread emails stand out I add an important label to these so that I remember to get back to them and reply if needed.

So in a sense to me it seems that new emails have the blue text and read emails seems to have a blue dot.

I really would like to click an email and have a better mark for emails I want to keep as unread. As right now having three levels unread and new, unread but read and read states is just not clear enough. Which makes a quick glance of emails in the Unread or Received areas not that easy to understand.

WildEnte

@paaljoachim there are ways to emphasize the difference of the three states using CSS modifications (maybe just using the themes editor is enough, didn't check), but I lack the knowledge to be able what would need to be done.

Have you tried different themes yet? Maybe there's one with a color scheme that better fits your needs

paaljoachim

@WildEnte

I took a look at themes again, but all have the same method as the original Vivaldi theme.

I have not looked at adjusting the CSS though.

mib2berlin

@paaljoachim
Hi, I guess the mails in Unread are all still marked as unread, if they are marked as read they disappear in the Unread view.
You can only see them in Received.
Try to select a mail in Unread and hit the G key, it will immediately disappear.
Or I completely miss the theme.

Ayespy

@paaljoachim If you want every email you have read to automatically be removed from Unread without your having to mark it so, there is a settin for that in the email settings. It's something like "automatically mark emails as read." All of the color discussions are as noted above, there is no way to mark an email as "unseen." But if you automatically mark every email you have opened as "read," there will be a marked difference between your "received" folder and your "unread" folder.

paaljoachim

Hey

I still find this confusing. I made a video here:
https://youtu.be/65qZHJ36ja0

I have been using hotmail for a very long time but because they stopped syncing my various email accounts I had to find another solution. I enjoy using Vivaldi but I am not able to keep the same good overview of my emails as I did in hotmail.

In hotmail the emails show up as blue when I have not clicked these. When I click them they turn black. I can easily make emails read or unread. On or off so to speak.

In Vivaldi unread/unclicked emails are blue. I click to read them and these turn black so this part is similar to hotmail.
BUT.... In Vivaldi there is the Unread and Received folders which for me is the same thing.
I click an email in Unread it turns black but it still keeps the blue button beside it. I do thank you for your responses but I still find Vivaldi confusing as there is the unread - something in between - read. So on - something I do not know what is - off. Hotmail has the on or off nothing in between creating this kind of confusion.

WildEnte

@paaljoachim I'm not sure how fast you can read, but clicking an email certainly isn't enough time for me to read an email. The default in Vivaldi is for users to actively mark an email as read when they consider the email read and done. Blue=unseen, bold black= unread, regular font=read.

You can use the setting "mark as read automatically, but that only works in views that show read emails. So It won't work in Unreal. But then just read your emails in Received, because then the behavior will be similar to what you are used to from Hotmail

@WildEnte said in Unread blue text emails vs unread black text emails:

blue are those emails that are brand new, that you have never even taken a glance at. Vivaldi calls those Unseen. They are a subset of Unread, which are emails that you haven't yet marked as read.

sgunhouse

@paaljoachim It's a carry-ovet from M2 (the mail client in old Opera). Mails in Unread don't get marked as Read unless you manually do so, so that they don't get removed from Unread and thus disappear while you're reading them. When looking at another access point like Received, you'll see bold blue titles for not seen, bold black titles for seen but not marked Read, and non-bold titles for marked as Read. And yes, you can mark a read mail as Unread hut not unseen.

WildEnte

We recently had a discussion on the german forum that led to reopening of VB-106926, which essentially suggests that 'mark as read automatically' should also work in Unread. To avoid emails vanishing from that access point as you look at them, the suggestion is to have the UI do the mark as read action when another email is clicked.

paaljoachim

An example....

I will in general read emails in the Unread "folder".
So these arrive as blue and I just want to take a quick look at it. Now suddenly it is black like any other email in this list. I add an Important tag so that I remember to get back to it to continue reading it more in depth. I am using the important tag kind of like I click it to make it unread and blue again.

Without the Important tag it will just disappear along with the various other emails here that I have just clicked and barely read. Some emails are just more important for me to remember to look at again than other emails. So that means In need to in this Unread "folder" select to have some of the emails stand out.
In hotmail I just click is as unread so it goes back to be blue again. In Vivaldi I had to do something to make it stand out and I figured that I might as well use the Important tag for it to stand out.

Again I just feel a bit more lost in Vivaldi in relation to unread and read emails than I do in Outlook/Hotmail.

WildEnte

@paaljoachim just out of curiosity, have you ever clicked the "mark message as read" button, or pressed the k key (which marks messages as read)?

paaljoachim

@WildEnte said in Unread blue text emails vs unread black text emails:

@paaljoachim just out of curiosity, have you ever clicked the "mark message as read" button, or pressed the k key (which marks messages as read)?

Not much but yes.

WildEnte

@paaljoachim aha, and that's the issue then. I suggest:

if you work in the unread view, actively mark emails as read when you are done with them
if you want to have the behavior you are used to from Hotmail, work in Received, and change the mail setting to mark emails as read automatically.

Shoham

My 2 cents - I like it the way it is. Vivaldi helps me differentiate between unseen and unread which is useful for me.