Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable

Ayespy

@janrif FIRST, just check if you can get a properly working Stable standalone instance, and if you can, I'll walk you forward from there. Moving an instance within your directory structure should not affect its functionality.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif FIRST, just check if you can get a properly working Stable standalone instance, and if you can, I'll walk you forward from there. Moving an instance within your directory structure should not affect its functionality.

Thanks @Ayespy

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif FIRST, just check if you can get a properly working Stable standalone instance, and if you can, I'll walk you forward from there. Moving an instance within your directory structure should not affect its functionality.

Hi @Ayespy. Updating progress. Tested between each step.

created pristine standalone installation
added a google mail account (main email account)
added a google calendar (main calendar account)
added extensions, one at a time, testing each one by restarting Vivaldi
added css modifications and tested

The only thing I haven't done is recreating start page w custom icons.

......so I think -- if you agree -- I'm ready for the next step. And, as usual, I sincerely appreciate your patient help.

Ayespy

@janrif And I take it everything is working as wanted so far?

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif And I take it everything is working as wanted so far?

@Ayespy yes. so far no issues.

Ayespy

@janrif OK. If you use sync, then sync this instance to your sync account now. Before you do so, though, delete all its local bookmarks and clear the bookmarks trash can.

Ayespy

@janrif What directory is your old version of Vivaldi in, and what directory is this one in?

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif OK. If you use sync, then sync this instance to your sync account now. Before you do so, though, delete all its local bookmarks and clear the bookmarks trash can.

@Ayespy completed

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif What directory is your old version of Vivaldi in, and what directory is this one in?

Directories

Ayespy

@janrif Okay, so you don't have to move anything. Just rename the folders. Make sure Vivaldi is closed, rename the folder "Vivaldi" to "Vivaldi-old" or some such, and after that is done, rename the new instance's folder to "Vivaldi." Your old desktop shortcut will now go to the new instance.

You are done, you have your bookmarks and passwords, favicons, etc., and a saved version of your data as of the time you started this project in your "Vivaldi-old" folder, so that if you discover you have failed to migrate some critical info, you still can do it. Whatever you do though, don't ever migrate any settings or preferences from your old folder. There's a corruption in there, and you'll sabotage yourself.

LyleMillar

@Ayespy what are the benefits of Vivaldi Snapshot over regular? Sorry if this is off topic I just go so into reading this thread.

Ayespy

@LyleMillar Definitely off-topic, but I'll answer anyway: Sense of adventure, earlier access to new features (and the chance to offer feedback on them to the Team), and the thrill that comes from using possibly-unstable code - being on the bleeding edge of Vivaldi releases.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

You are done, you have your bookmarks and passwords, favicons, etc., and a saved version of your data as of the time you started this project in your "Vivaldi-old" folder, so that if you discover you have failed to migrate some critical info, you still can do it. Whatever you do though, don't ever migrate any settings or preferences from your old folder.

@Ayespy OK !!!! Everything seems to be in order. I have 2 questions:

(1) Favicons are the custom icons that I might have applied to folders, etc, right? If so, those favicons don't currently appear in the "New" Vivaldi installation so I assume they are still with the "old" corrupted Vivaldi. Is there a way to resurrect those or do I have to replace?

(2) After I'm sure I have all the data I need from "old" corrupted Vivaldi, I assume I can delete that entire folder. Is that correct?

I can't begin to thank you enough for all your help. Your support is one of the elements I appreciate most about the Vivaldi community. There are exceptions, of course, but, by and large, everyone is extremely helpful.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

Okay, so you don't have to move anything. Just rename the folders. Make sure Vivaldi is closed, rename the folder "Vivaldi" to "Vivaldi-old" or some such, and after that is done, rename the new instance's folder to "Vivaldi." Your old desktop shortcut will now go to the new instance.

@Ayespy Sorry to say I spoke too soon. Both the vivaldi-old and the vivaldi installations have the original problem.

I've not added, changed, moved or altered any data, etc. I tested with all css scripts & my usual extensions engaged w/o incident. I'm left with the Snapshot version which works.

Ayespy

@janrif Sorry, then I'm stumped.

Favicons file is all favicons that appear for tabs, etc. importing that file just saves their having to be downloaded from the web again. It's not your custom data.

Of course you can delete any folder you no longer need. Just be sure you are sure you don't need anything in it any more.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif Sorry, then I'm stumped.

Favicons file is all favicons that appear for tabs, etc. importing that file just saves their having to be downloaded from the web again. It's not your custom data.

Got it

Of course you can delete any folder you no longer need. Just be sure you are sure you don't need anything in it any more.

OK

@Ayespy Just to review. The Pristine_Vivaldi worked ok w all the bells and whistles. Then I changed problematic "Vivaldi" to "Old_Vivaldi". Finally, I changed "Pristine_Vivaldi" to "Vivaldi". There were no system resets between those events. That was the sequence so something happened after the name change. I must have carried it over from the "Old_Vivaldi" but I can't imagine what. Does that narrow it down any?

Just for kicks I ran a Memory Diagnostic Tool, Disk Cleanup & Optimized my system. Then a reset and tested again with the same results.

I guess I'm left with repeating the steps & stopping before I change any folder names to see if the new Stable holds up.

Ayespy

@janrif What you theorize is not possible. One standalone instance of Vivaldi cannot "carry over" anything from another standalone instance. Two possibilities come to mind: You have a corruption in your system registry which is only related to a "vivaldi" registry string. OR: one of the "bells and whistles" changes you made did not break your mail view immediately. It took a while for that to be manifested.

You can test the former by renaming the Vivaldi folder and then running the instance under that name (not under the plain name "Vivaldi"). If it's really a registry breakage, the symptom should vanish. Then you can move your vivaldi instances to another drive (to save the data), uninstall Vivaldi using the "remove user data" option, Clear every string containing the word "Vivaldi" from registry, install a brand new Vivaldi instance, set up your mail accounts, etc. make NO CSS modifications, install one extension per day, run it for a full day before installing the next extension, etc. Either your registry is corrupt, or you are adding something that is breaking Vivaldi Stable.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

@janrif What you theorize is not possible. One standalone instance of Vivaldi cannot "carry over" anything from another standalone instance.

OK

Two possibilities come to mind: You have a corruption in your system registry which is only related to a "vivaldi" registry string. OR: one of the "bells and whistles" changes you made did not break your mail view immediately. It took a while for that to be manifested.

OK

You can test the former by renaming the Vivaldi folder and then running the instance under that name (not under the plain name (Vivaldi). If it's really a registry breakage, the symptom should vanish.

OK

Then you can move your vivaldi instances to another drive (to save the data), uninstall Vivaldi using the "remove user data" option,

I'm confused. Which Vivaldi am I moving to another drive? And after I've done that, what am I using the "remove data" option on if it's been moved to another drive? And where is the "remove data" option?

Clear every string containing the word "Vivaldi" from registry, install a brand new Vivaldi instance, set up your mail accounts, etc. make NO CSS modifications, install one extension per day, run it for a full day before installing the next extension, etc.

OK

Either your registry is corrupt, or you are adding something that is breaking Vivaldi Stable.

I think I understand. The point is to get "Vivaldi" moved somewhere else so I can remove all "vivaldi" strings in the registry. But what I'm not clear on is whether I am going to lose all my data, i.e. notes, bookmarks, etc?

Ayespy

@janrif I should not have said "move" I should have said "copy." Copy it to a removable drive and remove the drive. You will lose absolutely Nothing. Then uninstall anything Windows will uninstall of Vivaldi, then clean the registry of Vivaldi traces. Windows will not, in an of itself, do that.

Copy any instance of Vivaldi whose data you wish to preserve. That could be all three of them.

janrif

@Ayespy said in Forced onto Snapshot bc Stable Email is Unusable:

remove the drive.

?? I have C & D on the machine and an outboard F. Are you talking about copying to F: or can Vivaldi be copied to D:? And, finally, I want to make sure that I don't damage the Snapshot installation. As I clean out the registry, I don't want to accidentally screw that up.