21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key
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Which default service on Android backs up full Browser data?"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@mib2berlin
. Shouldn't there be a clear link in that section that takes you to the manual? Where is that https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/sync/ in that section? -
@jcgpiqcl
Hm, seems like a good idea but no section of the settings have links to the help pages.
I guess a user use the mail client but not sync would complain why is one for sync but not for mail and so forth.
I would support such a feature request but I fear this wouldn't be implemented.Cheers, mib
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@Zalex108
Maybe this one
Arch Linux + LXQt | Android
/data/data/com.vivaldi.browser.snapshot/app_chrome/Default -
@fahad44
Yes, everything...
But as I mentioned earlier in the post, I had everything on my laptop aswell.. That was what saved me. -
@Zalex108 said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
Which default service on Android backs up full Browser data?I just investigated that and I thought that regular android sync used to do that but Google changes that stuff all the time. (One recent complication is how android started enforcing "Scoped Storage" as of Android 11 which blocks apps by default from accessing data folders created by other apps)
Might need to use Google One for that now.
https://support.google.com/android/answer/2819582#what_androidbackupservice
Also for example the Seedvault backup tool included with various custom ROMs appears to backup Vivaldi data. (Backup notifies that it has backed-up Vivaldi, I have not tested restores yet)
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@Aaron said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
@Zalex108
Maybe this one
If I'm not mistaken SmartSwitch is a Samsung feature and it may only be useful for a complete device reset.
See the link in my previous comment for Samsung's suggestion to use Google One for app data backups.
Swift Backup on a non-rooted device can backup the Vivaldi app. But in order to backup Vivaldi data you would need a rooted device.
The built-in backup tools can get around this because they can be installed as system apps. This is how Seedvault does it, probably the same with Smart Switch and similar vendor-installed backup tools.
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As mentioned in the title. What if any data has been compromised. Should I start considering request to change of passphrase as potential data leak including passwords, card details and addresses saved in the browser? We should hear something more from "The Sysadmin team"!
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@ImaginaryFreedom said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
that Vivaldi should implement an in-app profile backup
In the desktop browser there is already a facility to export Bookmarks, Reading list, Passwords and Notes. It can be found under File --> Export. I cannot speak for the mobile browser.
The horse gets brought very close to the water in the desktop browser.
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@EricJH said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
@ImaginaryFreedom said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
that Vivaldi should implement an in-app profile backup
In the desktop browser there is already a facility to export Bookmarks, Reading list, Passwords and Notes. It can be found under File --> Export. I cannot speak for the mobile browser.
The horse gets brought very close to the water in the desktop browser.
That is a very, very small subset of the app's dynamic data.
Some people today reported losing hundreds of open tabs, for example.
You can certainly save sessions and perhaps even export them, on the desktop versions.
But it has to be made trivially easy IMHO.
Re: sync in particular, they could have solved all of this today by simply automatically caching copies of recently synced data on user devices. A lot of software that does "syncing" does exactly that.
If something goes awry, just go import one of the recent time-stamped sync copies and all is well.
That's also a selective subset of the entire profile data (so less data to store it) but if people are upset about having lost synced data then that would restore all of it. If storage is extremely limited make it an option for the user.
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The data that gets synced gets stored on the Vivaldi servers is encrypted. The encryption key only exists on your computer/tablet/phone. That means that nobody who has access to the Vivaldi servers can see what is being stored (they don't have the encryption key).
So your data is safe by desing and no reason to worry.
However. In the process of fixing Sync data stored on the Vivaldi servers has been erased (somebody posted it may still be around).
That means that if you're doing a clean install of Vivaldi without a backup you will not get your bookmarks, open tabs, history, notes etc back from Sync. Unless you connect a second device to Sync first. Then your clean installed version of Vivaldi will get the synced data and settings through Sync
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True it is only a limited subset of the dynamic data. But for me three out of those four are most important.
@ImaginaryFreedom said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
But it has to be made trivially easy IMHO.
Do you envision a button somewhere in sight to enable it?
Re: sync in particular, they could have solved all of this today by simply automatically caching copies of recently synced data on user devices. A lot of software that does "syncing" does exactly that.
If something goes awry, just go import one of the recent time-stamped sync copies and all is well.
But this would not work with people who have been doing a clean install without a backup of important profile data relying on Sync as a backup. Those cached copies would not exist in that case.
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@mib2berlin
Unfortunately!.. We trusted that team and now they say "sync is not backup" wtf!.. Why did not you warn us when we created sync account?! what's the purpose that silly sync?!
不幸的是！...我们信任该团队，现在他们说“同步不是备份”wtf！...当我们创建同步帐户时，为什么您没有警告我们？！愚蠢的同步的目的是什么？！who has bean caught while reinstall vivaldi or formatted the os that completely lost the data.
谁在重新安装vivaldi或格式化完全丢失数据的操作系统时捕获了bean。I will warn people not to use this unreliable browser! For some trivial and mostly useless features no need to loose valuable data just like me! Never lost 15+ years data with other browser but Vivaldi!..
我会警告人们不要使用这个不可靠的浏览器！对于一些琐碎且几乎无用的功能，不需要像我一样丢失有价值的数据！除了 Vivaldi 之外，其他浏览器从未丢失过 15 年以上的数据！...Oh my GOD really cannot believe in this, team could not restore the previous server setup and created new one then dozens people lost data! WTF!
天哪，我真的不敢相信这一点，团队无法恢复以前的服务器设置并创建新的服务器，然后数十人丢失了数据！卧槽！I mostly used Vivaldi for tab stacking but that sync fail is the end! I'm done.
我主要使用 Vivaldi 进行选项卡堆叠，但同步失败就结束了！我受够了。ENOUGH is enough! 够了够了！
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!!
I LOST ALL MY DATA !!!!!!!! -
@abcmyk Idk how they can justify that. If sync is not backup whats the difference between horrid Brave implementation with this smh
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@Aaron said in 21.12.24 | Sync'd Data Lost + New Encryption Key:
@Zalex108
Maybe this one
AFAIK,
This is just for some accounts and to download apps from the store when restoring or adding a new device.
Off course,
Phone book, pics, partial device settings...All that, does not get relationship with an automatic Full backup of the browser's data.
Even more, being another browser than Chrome.
(Can't talk about Chrome's case)I've used the G restore recently to set up a new Android mobile and just worked as said.
So,
After the usual data,
You have to login to V, add the encryption key, and set up the whole profile again.
All the not synced settings, flags, site settings, notifications....--
At the moment,
IDK any way to back up none default data on Android, except if Rooted.From ADB and Shizuku would be something posible, but those apps are not commonly known by people who aren't aware about the needing of custom data back ups managed by one self.
Regarding Custom Roms,
Those using them, usually knows what's a Data Back up and its importance. -
BTW,
GOne is the same as GSync
Paying, you would get some other features but haven't read anything regarding Full Apps Data Back up -
@abcmyk @fahad44
Hello, the first what you get in the Sync Help Page is:
Users lost data have synced a device with a clean Vivaldi install and/or a reinstalled OS.
If you have a device which still contains your data, bookmarks, passwords and so forth it is possible to restore it.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin
I don't have any backups and I feel it is extremely irresponsible to delete data without informing the user. I am disappointed and scared by what Vivaldi has done and I am afraid I will not continue to use it. I have been using it for over 5 years我没有任何备份数据，我觉得在不告知用户的情况下删除数据，是极其不负责任的。vivaldi的做法让我感到失望和恐惧，恐怕我不会继续使用。我已经使用超过5年时间
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@istredd
“forcing to create new passphrase” ?
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It seems like the people at vivaldi are pretending a large number of people haven't lost YEARS worth of data. I replaced my motherboard and thus had to format my SSD to get a fresh install of windows, upon starting vivaldi I was greeted with sync issues. This entire time I waited patiently for y'all to restore the sync server, only for the data to be nuked. Seriously???? 10+ days of waiting only for the data to be destroyed forever??? This is INSANITY. Who expects to have to make backups of their BOOKMARKS? All my trust in vivaldi has been destroyed. Apparently this company can't handle a server for BOOKMARKS of all things.
