Election depression is real

[supermurs]

I'm worried about Ukraine. Europe must stick together and keep on the support in any case.

[DoctorG]

I am worried on effects in Germany that will stabilise and empower more and more far-right "conservatives", evangelical christs, faschists.
And we know that these are supported from trump-related US funds and institutions and congressmen.

Do not be worried only on USA with its trumpism, be worried on EU countries slipping downwards to far-right faschism.

Yes, i am in a bad mood as times getting worse, 1 Century ago this Adolphe was giving work and freedom and strength to all good Germans.

"Never can happen again" is a wish.
Most "good people" like authoritarian politicians who kick others (minority people) and take away human standards and give them instead violence and oppression, without safety.

[DoctorG]

@supermurs Yes. we need to support them.

[Pesala]

“This world is like an ornamented royal chariot.
Fools flounder in it, but for the wise there is no attachment.”(Dhammapada verse 171)

“Blind is this world. Few are those who see clearly.
As birds escape from a net, few go to a blissful state.” (Dhammapada verse 174)

“If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you.

“If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.

“If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch.

“If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!”

Rudyard Kipling

[ingolftopf]

Abraham Lincoln, the "earnest Ab." would be spinning in his grave if he could see this.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln

For me, Trump and Vance have really shown their voters up.
And continue to do it more or less skilfully.

Vance is considered "dangerous" by European political scientists because he is ideologically "bordering on fascism".

Trump's ideology is "just" to become a king.

However, I am very sure that the US Democrats are now working with all their might to exhaust all democratic means to ensure that European history does not repeat itself in the USA.

We will see what happens.
After all, there is still some time before the inauguration and a lot will happen after that.
A lot is still possible, especially with Trump.

It seems to me that Kanals Harris is in better spirits again even if it's still written all over her face.

Perhaps she already knows more.

Let's hope so.

The "oldest democracy in the world" will not just look at all this casually.

[TravellinBob]

Not surprised by this, actually. Trump is the original Teflon Man, trained and raised in the property business in New York that has always had questionable morals.

He was a terrible President in his first term and will potentially be far worse this time around, when faced with very real conflicts in the Middle East and Eastern Europe that directly involve the US. He remains in thrall to luntaics like Putin and Orban and Netanyahu, and remains ignorant of basic economics (hence multiple bankruptcies and ridiculous policy plans). Throw in Project 2025, a tame House, Senate and Supreme Court and he can do pretty much what the hell he likes.

Playing the blame game is a waste of time. Perhaps Biden shold have stepped back sooner: by the time he did so, Harris had way too much ground to make up. Perhaps her campaign made crucial mistakes along the way, and focused too much on the insanity of Trump and the MAGA movement. The party machine certainly misread the electorate, in a way the Republicans did not.

At the end of the day, Trump spun his lies well enough to convince a majority of Americans - who really should have known better after the last election! - that he should be President again. We all have to live with the consequences.

And it's not the US alone that has a broken political system - so do most countries in Europe, including my homeland the UK. It's a fundamental problem that people no longer trust politicians, and given the lies and corruption, stupidity and selfishness that has been on display globally for a generation that should come as no surprise. It will take another generation to fix, and by then most of us will be long dead and gone.

Sad but true. But right now I'm alive and well, and fully intend to enjoy whatever years I have left (many, I'm sure) no matter what is going on outside my control.

[ingolftopf]

American society also has every reason to distrust its "top politicians".

For a very long time, they were brazenly and consistently lied to and deceived by almost all presidents.

It is not for nothing that the USA is the motherland of conspiracy theories.

J.F. Kennedy, who in his blasé, politically conscious manner did not even want to negotiate personally with Chrustschow in the Cuba crisis, 'Bobby' then had to do this.
Although he had been threatening Moscow with nuclear missiles from Turkey for some time.
The 'near-trigger' of the Third World War, which was only prevented by the great courage of the first officer of the accompanying Russian nuclear submarine.
As American journalists later found out.

Richard Nixon with his "Watergate".

The really quite good Obama with "Guantánamo".
Promised to abolish it during the election campaign, but never did.
Although he would have been able to do so with a presidential directive
, etc., etc.

This also gave rise to a figure like Trump, the saviour.
He stands on the shoulders of such things.

[ingolftopf]

Earnest Ab. did not lie to his fellow citizens.
That is why he is still regarded today as the best president of the UAS, as "The Earnest Ab.".

What a drama, the American Civil War broke out during his term of office and he tried to prevent it.
Far more Americans died in this war than in all subsequent wars in which the USA has been involved to this day.
And there are not just a few.

And then, even in peacetime, after winning his second term in the theatre, he was shot in the back by a renowned actor from there.

His monumental memorial, which does not exist in this form for any other US president, is well deserved.

[Pesala]

Something to Cure Depression

Blank Space (Donald's Version) - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody.

[ingolftopf]

Google, Apple, Jeff Besos (Amason) and some of the major American newspapers are now probably already pandering to Trump & Co.
https://www.
tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/tech-konzerne-wahl-usa-100.html

Elon Musk has already done this before.
He will know why.

[ingolftopf]

Giving away millions has probably paid off for him.
"Trump victory makes Musk 21 billion dollars richer"
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/musk-tesla-trump-100.html

With his handling of Twitter, he has probably at least qualified as an advisor to Trump.

What's next??

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US Secretary of Health and Human Services?
www.tagesschau.de/ausland/uswahl/trump-team-namen-100.html

You just can't believe it.

[Pesala]

@ingolftopf said in Election depression is real:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US Secretary of Health and Human Services?

Why on earth not?

He is not an Antivaxer, just anti vaccine mandates, and in favour of proper double-blind trials. Follow the science, not the FUD.

[mathieulefrancois]

@Pesala RFK actually sounds like an amazing choice to me.

What he wants to do for food safety sounds pretty awesome, as well as the vaccine mandate stuff.

[Pesala]

@mathieulefrancois Yes, it seems like he might be OK, though I don’t follow USA politics very closely. Elon Musk is a technology genius, who I follow out of interest in green technology, and a long-term Democrat who switched sides because of what the extreme left were doing to destroy the US. He bought Twitter to protect free speech, and now the ugly truth about the corruption of the Biden Administration has been revealed.

[Ayespy]

@Pesala said in Election depression is real:

who switched sides because of what the extreme left were doing to destroy the US.

So you are steeped in disinformation as well. Its reach is nothing short of astounding.

[Pesala]

@Ayespy said in Election depression is real:

So you are steeped in disinformation as well. Its reach is nothing short of astounding.

What makes you think that? Maybe you are the one who is steeped in misinformation?

[greybeard]

@DoctorG
Well said !!

[Ayespy]

@Pesala As I've made my living for 44 years determining what's true, after 3900 field and classroom hours training in how to research and how to observe, that's unlikely. One of the primary skills in this field is detecting and discarding misinformation/disinformation, even when it comes from multiple "sources." Some things presented as true cannot be true when all relevant information is known. And that is my skillset, and my profession. So, no. I am not steeped in misinformation/disinformation. In 44 years, I have literally never failed to ascertain which out of multiple claims was true or false. Not once. Were it to happen, it would be a career-wrecker. Certain things can remain unknown and, when such is the case, one has to accurately point it out. But a majority of things can be known, and that's what I'm paid for.

[iqaluit]

This is an interesting thread.
However I strongly disagree that moderators, ambassadors, sopranos of Vivaldi involve in politics in Vivaldi forums and openly express which political side their loyalties lie. I for exemple on the side of people not dying in senseless wars - take whatever it means to you!

This forum is the flagship compononent of Vivaldi as a product. This is the place where users from all walks of life join and seek help or want to hangout. Then what do they see? You come along, he comes along, she comes along and pour bloody politics all over.
First of all: Don't do this !
Second of all: peace and solidarity

[luetage]

@Ayespy That’s what you want to make us believe. On the other hand you are a Cyclops, so I’m not sure whether I can trust you. You envy our ability to take a look at difficult situations three dimensional. You plot to make us all blind.