New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4

[DoctorG]

@dannilundgren I agree, for people with visual impairment it is not easy to distinguish as these icons have thinner outline and recognising what a symbol means is not easy. #usability
I switched back to old symbol design. #accessibility

[mossman]

Does anyone else have a problem with newsfeeds in this update?

I haven't received anything this week...

On Friday afternoon I installed this snapshot and my company also activated Zscaler (VPN/proxy/security thing) - so I'm not sure if it's one or the other causing the problem.

[npro]

@Haress said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

not all my cursor work properly in Vivaldi (When i hover mouse over Vivaldi it automatically changes to default one).

Ubuntu's "snap" package problem most probably. It doesn't see custom theming. Sucks that Ubuntu is being recommended as the beginner's distro and sad in general where this open-source ecosystem is going the last years because of those corporate players like Canonical, Red Hat and SUSE.

If you want your custom cursor showing in Vivaldi, download and install the real package (not from the snap store) from https://vivaldi.com/download/

[Kocho]

@doctorg: not visually impaired, but I have noticed this too. Depending on the theme used, one should try disabling transparency and/or increasing contrast to the max. That helps

[Hadden89]

@DoctorG @Kocho But at the end I just end to download the classic theme

[DoctorG]

A new Vivaldi design should not force users to fiddle around with themes settings or adding new themes to get it fixed. #accesibility standards.

[TbGbe]

@DoctorG said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

A new Vivaldi design should not force users to fiddle around

To be fair to the devs, this is a Snapshot
Hopefully, we check it out and they take comments on accessibility (etc.) into account before introduction into Stable.

[DoctorG]

@TbGbe said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

To be fair to the devs, this is a Snapshot

Users having usability and accessibility trouble will not forgive.

[Kocho]

@hadden89: Why not Vivaldi Origins

[Durtro]

@mossman was about to create a reply regarding that...

My not so simple answer is yes and no. In a windows installation I stopped receiving new feeds but I do receive them in my linux installation.

One thing I did in my linux installation that I didn't do on windows was try the new folder functionality for feeds and in the process the db was messed up. Fortunately the restore worked...

[mossman]

@Durtro said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

@mossman was about to create a reply regarding that...

My not so simple answer is yes and no. In a windows installation I stopped receiving new feeds but I do receive them in my linux installation.

One thing I did in my linux installation that I didn't do on windows was try the new folder functionality for feeds and in the process the db was messed up. Fortunately the restore worked...

Thanks for the confirmation - in that case I can experiment a bit with folders and recreating feeds. I noticed if I went to a feed link I would get the summary view webpage as normal, so I felt like Zscaler was not blocking the content - I wasn't sure if there is some other transport protocol involved in checking for updates and that was maybe being blocked. Couldn't find much online about this topic...

Hmmm... no change. Created a folder, moved everything in and out of it, deleted it, deleted feeds, recreated feeds... this is in Windows.

Bug submitted: VB-110221

[sjudenim]

@TbGbe said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

@DoctorG said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

A new Vivaldi design should not force users to fiddle around

To be fair to the devs, this is a Snapshot
Hopefully, we check it out and they take comments on accessibility (etc.) into account before introduction into Stable.

Yes, and Vivaldi was in desperate need of a makeover. I run mods all the time so I forget. But when I test a fresh install I'm always surprised how dated and ugly Vivaldi is.

The new look is definitely a step in the right direction (save for those icons)

[electryon]

@sjudenim said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

@TbGbe said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

@DoctorG said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

A new Vivaldi design should not force users to fiddle around

To be fair to the devs, this is a Snapshot
Hopefully, we check it out and they take comments on accessibility (etc.) into account before introduction into Stable.

Yes, and Vivaldi was in desperate need of a makeover. I run mods all the time so I forget. But when I test a fresh install I'm always surprised how dated and ugly Vivaldi is.

The new look is definitely a step in the right direction (save for those icons)

The icons in the address bar also need a makeover...
The SiteInfoButton icon, that lock... all browsers used to have that lock but all of them have replaced it with a modern icon.
The bookmark icon and that grey fill it has...
I personally "borrow" Brave's address bar svg icons and replace all of them in Vivaldi with css.
Especially now with the new icon set.. the address bar icons look even more older.

[DoctorG]

I think user should be asked by a popup before a new design is forced on their theme settings.
Do not force users who have longterm theme setting to jump in settings and reedit their theme. #usability!

[electryon]

@DoctorG said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

I think user should be asked by a popup before a new design is forced on their theme settings.
Do not force users who have longterm theme setting to jump in settings and reedit their theme. #usability!

Who does that? I don't know any browser or software in general that keeps older designs for ever.
Some people complain at major design changes of a software but eventually they get used to the new design.
People have been complaining about chrome refresh 2023 but they have stopped and they all now use the new interface.
People have been complaining about Firefox Proton even with threatening emails to Mozilla lol but they have stopped and now they are used to it.
I don't think we should expect the current icon set to even exist in let's say Vivaldi 9...

[DoctorG]

@electryon said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

Some people complain at major design changes of a software but eventually they get used to the new design.

I do not complain. I do not talk about design but usability and accessibility. #a11y

Who does that? I don't know any browser or software in general that keeps older designs for ever.

Well, i do not want to take part of such enshittification dance and i resist in such othering discussion.
And if design forces users with impairment to change settings such change is bad.

And, no, i do not want the "let us forget a few percent of users with impairment" game.
A good product should not exclude such users and should not make them to have more work to do than others.

I am concerned.

[Pathduck]

@electryon Actually, the old icons are still in the browser, and still as the defaults.

What's changed is only the new themes with custom icons. So if a user (like me) wanted some icons changed back, it's as easy as going into the theme settings and removing the custom icons.

Developers are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

• Roll out the new icons, keep the old as an option.
  Result: Angry users who don't like change, since most don't even know about custom icons or how to change themes.

• Stick with the old icons, make the new optional.
  Result: Most users will never see the new icons or have an opinion on them at all.

Of course, it's easy and takes less than a minute going into the theme icon settings and resetting the ones you don't like. Easy for me - maybe not so "easy" for others - but do I care? Not really

[DoctorG]

@Pathduck Just tell me why a design change which is no a enhancement of the browser should be so important to force it on users? Or is it because like with a new design we get 1 Million more users?

I really hope that such design change will give us a flood of many, many gazillions new users.

[Pathduck]

@DoctorG I explained it above - if they didn't "force" it no-one would see them to even complain about them.

This is only a Snapshot, maybe they will add a feature to easier switch between icon sets - currently it's not so easy for non-technical users, I get that.

[electryon]

@Pathduck said in New look, new feature – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3483.4:

@electryon Actually, the old icons are still in the browser, and still as the defaults.

Developers are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

• Roll out the new icons, keep the old as an option.
  Result: Angry users who don't like change, since most don't even know about custom icons or how to change themes.

• Stick with the old icons, make the new optional.
  Result: Most users will never see the new icons or have an opinion on them at all.

I agree 100%.
No matter what they do they can't win.
Someone will complain no matter what they do.