Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?

[edwardp]

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[paaljoachim]

Thank you very much @luetage and @edwardp

I am gradually wrapping my mind around this.

So....
It is really confusing having two different Vivaldi email type of accounts.
One for Vivaldi mail client through one browser on ones own computer.
Then Vivaldi Webmail. I have access to Vivaldi Webmail but I only see a vivaldi email address that I can use. I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.

I might in an every day language say that there are two flavors of Vivaldi mail. One that resides on your own computer and one gets access through the Vivaldi browser on your desktop/laptop Linux, OSX or Windows computer.
The other which is a bit harder to gain access to because of too many spammers have hit Vivaldo so that it takes a while to really gain enough trust/reputation to be allowed to have a fully working Vivaldi Webmail which one can also check additional email accounts one might have. I need to understand this as I also plan to create a beginner kind of video tutorial.

There is more but that is what I remember right now.
Thank you again!

[Ayespy]

@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

I assume that when my reputation level is high enough that I will be able to add additional identities/external IMAP accounts.

Nope. Vivaldi webmail is a simple, no-frills webmail account under your username with 5GB storage, nothing more. It does not entertain additional identities or external accounts. In order to add more identities for Vivaldi Webmail, one would actually have to sign up for additional user accounts in the Vivaldi community, each with its own username, and each with its own need to build reputation to have access to webmail.

Vivaldi Mail built in to the browser is a full-featured email client, which can retrieve, view, store and send emails for any email account which you own.

Webmail is like a car. The mail client is like a road and a garage for all your cars.

[paaljoachim]

@Ayespy

Thank is a very good explanation!

Here I thought that I would be able to have a car trailer with multiple cars.
This actually means that the Vivaldi webmail is not interesting to me as I do not need another email address but need to gain access to the mail accounts / cars I already have.

As I am gradually coming to understand it. The Vivaldi mail client built into the browser can be used only in the one specific browser on the computer the browser is used in. If I need to check my emails another place such as on another computer or my phone then I would have to use another client.

[edwardp]

@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

As I am gradually coming to understand it. The Vivaldi mail client built into the browser can be used only in the one specific browser on the computer the browser is used in. If I need to check my emails another place such as on another computer or my phone then I would have to use another client.

If you have more that one desktop computer (I have two.), you can install Vivaldi to each of them and add the same e-mail account(s) to the Vivaldi Mail client, on each one.

For a phone, you can also add the same e-mail accounts to the e-mail app you choose to use.

[Ayespy]

@paaljoachim I use Vivaldi Mail client over IMAP to have access to all of my accounts on all of my full-size computing devices (six separate devices running 3 OSes at the moment - 5 desktop towers, and a laptop - and one of these towers has dual-boot Windows and Linux, using the mail client on both of them).

Before I used IMAP to sync all devices, I did essentially the same thing over POP3, using the instruction for each instance to leave downloaded emails on the server - so I could also download them on other devices.

[paaljoachim]

Great!

Thank you @edwardp and @Ayespy

First a question. Sending/receiving emails all of these recorded on the email server at Shockhosting? So it does not matter which client one uses for all of the activity will be recorded on the email server.

I assume that I can delete the full Vivaldi mail account with the various email accounts I have added there to add these again showing how it is done through a video tutorial? (With all the messages returned.)

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Here is a summary I plan to use with a tutorial.

An email client

An email client is an application that is used to access emails. Examples of email clients are Apple Mail, Gmail, Thunderbird, Outlook, Vivaldi Mail etc.

An email account

An email account is the specific email address. The user accesses the email address in a client.

An email service provider

An email service provider uses an email server and has the technology for sending and receiving emails.
Messages are usually stored on the email server so that one can use any client to send/receive emails and the email server will show the various activity going on for each client. Activity will also sync between the various clients. Sometimes the client and the server are the same such as a web hosts Round Cube program, Gmail, Vivaldi webmail etc.

An example. Vivaldi mail (client) built into the Vivaldi browser can retrieve from the email server, view, store and send emails for any email account that one owns.

An example for the Android phone is using the client/app FairEmail to retrieve email account(s).

Retrieving email through IMAP

One uses what is called IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) to retrieve email messages from a mail server to the client. One can then use multiple clients on multiple devices.

The difference between Vivaldi webmail account vs Vivaldi Mail

Vivaldi webmail account (and client) is for one email address. Similar to checking one email address through gmail or outlook.com.

Vivaldi Mail client is built into the Vivaldi browser meant to access the various email accounts one has access to.

[edwardp]

@paaljoachim I am going to assume that your provider logs all accesses to its mail server, so yes, each access is logged.

Vivaldi Webmail is separate from the Vivaldi Mail client. Once you have gained Vivaldi Webmail access, you can use the Vivaldi Mail client to access it.

I am not aware of any limitations on the number of email accounts you can use with the Vivaldi Mail client. On one of my installs, with most of the accounts used for testing, I have more than 20 email accounts added.

[luetage]

@paaljoachim Wrong, the Vivaldi webmail account is the server (service provider); you can use this account on any number of clients. Otherwise your overview is pretty much correct.

You make an account for an email service provider. Almost all email service providers feature a web interface too. You can use this web interface to manage your account. Gmail has one, Yahoo has one, GMX has one, Vivaldi has one. Many people have just one account and then manage it online through the web interface. The better way is to manage your account(s) through a client, so that you don’t have to deal with the different web interfaces.

One curious fact is people on desktop favor the web interface of their service providers over a dedicated client, while on mobile they demand everything to be an app. They wouldn’t ever consider opening their mobile browser to access the web interface of their accounts. Inconsistency in its most erratic state.

[Ayespy]

@luetage Design explains a great deal of that inconsistency. The web interface of mail services is designed for a desktop screen, while mobile mail apps are designed for a phone screen. It's hard to use the web interface on a phone, but easy to use an app.

And as for me, I find a desktop client easier to use than a web interface or a mobile app, either one. So it's far and away my preferred way to access mail.

[paaljoachim]

Thank you @edwardp and @luetage

I have adjusted the text.
Vivaldi webmail account is for one email address and is also a mail server. Similar to checking one email address through gmail or outlook.com etc.

Added:
With the various email addresses we have it becomes easier to use one email client to check the various email accounts. I found Vivaldi mail and I am getting more and more used to it and I am liking what I am seeing.

Btw
I noticed that Round Cube on the web host logs all things inbox, sent etc.

[edwardp]

@paaljoachim said in Is Vivaldi mail right for my use case?:

Btw
I noticed that Round Cube on the web host logs all things inbox, sent etc.

I don't believe anyone other than an admin can see actual logs, but when you send an e-mail, the sent message will then appear in the account's Sent folder. If it's deleted from Sent, it will then appear in Trash.

[paaljoachim]

@edwardp

Logs in this situation for me just means that I am able to see the messages in the inbox and sent folder and that these are the newest ones I know about.

[LyleMillar]

@edwardp thank you for the clarification! Much appreciated!