Unsolved Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??
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@ryofurue said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
I have a genuine question: Does your tab close even when you click outside the "x" (tab-closing) button?
It's hard to tell, even in a tab like I described yesterday. The X is right in the center of the tab, so it's hard to miss even if you're trying. I think the problem most likely is that the X is too big and, even more so, that it has focus when it shouldn't. (I'm guessing that the other browsers don't give the X focus until you're back on that tab, but either way it seems like it would solve the problem.)
So I'd say it's probably less a bug than a bad design.
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@SaphiraBlue said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
The X is right in the center of the tab
If that's the case, the problem should be one of these three:
- it is a bug;
- Your tab is too small; or
- The X button is too big.
Can you take a look at this picture below?
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/31697/visible-close-button-for-tiled-tabs/14
As you can see, the position of the X button is near the right edge of each tab.
If your X button is in the center even when your tab is much wider than the width of the X button, then the Vivaldi team should fix it.
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@ryofurue You seem to be assuming my tabs are much larger than they actually are. If the tab were full-size, I don't think this would be an issue. But I--like many people, tend to have a lot of tabs open.
As I mentioned yesterday, right now I have about 50 or so open tabs. That means they're small, but not tiny, but the X fills most of the tab.
Here, if I've done this right (and I'm not at all sure I have) is a screenshot of some of my tabs, with the X visible:
If this worked, you'll be able to see that the X occupies the vast majority of the tab space. It is almost impossible NOT to click it when trying to switch to the tab.
And the X is immediately activated when you hover over the tab, which is how I got this shot. So Vivaldi is programmed to assume you want to close the tab rather than switch to it, which is counterintuitive.
It's even worse with more tabs open, since the tabs are even narrower. And yes, I use regular old tabs because I'm used to them and don't have the time or patience to mess with something else right now--but I shouldn't have to use a different type of tab for them to behave in an expected way.
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@SaphiraBlue You can disable the close button on tabs. You can alternatively close tabs with double‐click, by keyboard shortcut, mouse gesture, quick command, and you could even create a dedicated close tab button in one of your toolbars with command chains. You could also close inactive tabs through the windows panel.
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@ryofurue Adding an edit I was not allowed to make to the last post:
I'm looking again and the X is activated IF the tab is active, which is bizarre, because if that's not the case, how am I accidentally closing tabs so often? Good question, and I don't have the answer right now.
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@OakdaleFTL What if I don't want accordion display style (which I don't--it takes up too much real estate)? Why can't we just expect the close function to work properly?
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@luetage Or we could expect the close tab function to work properly and not expect users to have to change their behavior instead.
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@SaphiraBlue Well, good luck with that. You are talking to community members here, we can’t change a thing. You have been presented with various alternatives to make tab closing/handling easier for you. If you can’t accept any of it, your only way forward is to either write a bug report or a feature request.
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@luetage I don't think it's necessary to be condescending just because I don't believe users should have to adapt to poor design.
I was also not aware that this was not a way to contact anyone from Vivaldi proper, or I wouldn't have bothered to post here. Their support page implies that this is a place to contact them and doesn't offer any obvious alternative.
So sorry to have troubled you. Have a nice day.
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@SaphiraBlue I wasn’t condescending, you are overtly sensitive. This is a place to receive community support and it wasn’t a mistake posting here, you got all the information you need and you know how to progress from here. If the solution you imagine simply isn’t there, we can’t force it into existence, this you have to accept.
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@luetage "Well, good luck with that" is pretty condescending. Bye now.
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Consider modifying Settings > Tabs > Active Tab Minimum Width to 180 pixels or other acceptable value to avoid accidental closure of active tab. For example, instead of active tab appearing as highlighted below:
it will appears as:
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Thanks, but it's not active tabs that close when I click on them. It happens when I switch to inactive tabs--there's no need to click on the active tab--so that's not going to solve the problem unless there's something I'm missing here?
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Ignore following advice as on retrying it does not resolve issue; sorry.
Understood. Instead, under Settings > Tabs > Tab Options try the options as highlighted below:
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@SaphiraBlue said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
[. . . You pasted a nice screenshot here . . .]
And the X is immediately activated when you hover over the tab, which is how I got this shot. So Vivaldi is programmed to assume you want to close the tab rather than switch to it, which is counterintuitive.
I agree. That is exactly the same as my complaint I mentioned earlier! I have exactly the same problem.
My feature request would be:
"If the tab is narrow, the X button should be shown only after the tab is activated (clicked upon)."
If there is no request like this, I'll submit it to the feature request forum. (But, I'll search the forum.)
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@SaphiraBlue said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
@OakdaleFTL What if I don't want accordion display style (which I don't--it takes up too much real estate)? Why can't we just expect the close function to work properly?
First, the Accordion style tabs only takes up at most the width of the window: That's the point!
But -even if you thought the Tab Bar took up too much space — why keep it on-screen when you can easily hide/show it as you please?
(I generally run three profiles all the time. But in the main one I usually have between 120 and 200 tabs open (with a few Workspaces and Windows open). Imagine trying to keep track of them — without using all the features of Vivaldi!)
I don't understand what behavior you want...
Consider this screenshot:
That's a window pinned to the right side of the screen. The number os tabs it contains doesn't matter to the display. You can scroll left or right through them.
BTW: Are you using a track pad?
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@SaphiraBlue disabling the close button seems to be the only feasible option right now.
You will of course have to use other means (as already described) to close tabs then.The option to only have a close button on the active tab (like
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@becm Am I wrong in remembering an Accordion Tabs option for FireFox?!
I seem to recall it being quite popular... -
@OakdaleFTL said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
I don't understand what behavior you want...
I want the close function on tabs to work properly. That’s literally all I want. I’m astonished that that seems to be so surprising.
That's a window pinned to the right side of the screen. The number os tabs it contains doesn't matter to the display. You can scroll left or right through them.
Okay? But the way you like to use your tabs isn’t necessarily the way anyone else likes to use theirs.
BTW: Are you using a track pad?
Yes. Why does that matter?
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@becm said in Why is it so easy to accidentally close tabs??:
The option to only have a close button on the active tab (like
Firefox) is still missing.Sounds like this is the problem, then, and what needs to be fixed/added.
