Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@barbudo2005 heehee, spot on, tis indeed
rp, though ofc that's forked from the Fox.fwiw, my enthusiasm for
floorp[which is now the same kind of passion i once enjoyed from 2015 with vivaldi, rip], is coz it focuses on the stuff important to me in a browser, without any of the sad crap vivaldi has diverged off into & is thus irrelevant for me. once, the early mantra of being "a browser for our friends" resonated strongly with me, but unfortunately for the past several years those words seem more ironic than accurate.the beginning of the end was the day [a few years ago] i finally got it thru my thick skull that vivaldi devs & jon seem entirely uninterested in giving us another tab management paradigm option, being
tst, which is so palpably superior to the current meagre options. more recently though, with the advent of "don't be evil corp" mv2 shenanigans & the consequent impending death of chromiumuBO, i realised that even if vivaldi magically gave me nativetsttomorrow [with comparable functionality tosidebery], it still would be too late, coz i refuse to use any browser that can't run mv2uBO.tis all such a pity.
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@ybjrepnfr said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
fwiw, my enthusiasm for floorp [which is now the same kind of passion i once enjoyed from 2015 with vivaldi, rip], is coz it focuses on the stuff important to me in a browser,
there is a new browser (and engine) in Town - Ladybird
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@Stardust, sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it in 2026, launching a browser with a new independent engine build from scratch (???).
Not the first one who tried it, among the already 70 abandoned browsers out there.>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Stardust ta for that. yes, i only learned of this a few nights ago, & then found it's very early in its development.
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@ybjrepnfr said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
it's very early in its development
That's an understatement.
We are targeting a first Alpha release for early adopters in 2026.
Roughly 2 years and they MIGHT have a first alpha release. I wish them luck on their endeavours, would be a breath of fresh air for browsing world.
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2 Years? We'll see, but there are good reasons why there hasn't been a new engine for 20 years, just improving the existing ones.
In essence there are only 2, Gecko and fork (Goanna) and KHtml and forks (WebKit, Blink and Qt).
Even if they get it in 2 years, it will be buggy for another >5, until they have the development of the existing ones, they will not survive this.>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Survive? They’re not trying to make money. People need to keep investing time is the issue and with slow progress and web standards keeping expanding and getting more convoluted they will have a hard time catching up before abandoning.
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@Stardust I read about it too, it was all over reddit. I bookmarked it and will check on it in a few years, if I don’t forget about it. It’s a bold endeavor.
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@luetage, the surviving not only depends on money, but on a minimum market share. Their income is based entirely on donors and sponsors, although they have not become dependent on them intelligently, what do you think would happen when after many years when this browser is released, no one uses it or no one continues to sacrifice their time in developing it, because Blink has become a universal standard?
As I said before, there are currently around 70 browsers on the market that were abandoned due to not being able to get their foot in a more saturated market of more than 100 browsers.
Although there are still new browsers, such as Arc, but these did not have this problem of investing many years in developing it, only of using an existing engine to put their own UI.
But starting from scratch developing a new independent engine would have made sense 20 years ago, but not now, this train has already gone.I see with these devs more idealism than common sense, this is why I believe it when it goes on the market working well, not before.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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well, I suppose topdogs hate excellence , tis harsh truth the world over.
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meanwhile, what would have happened had vivaldi based on firefox?
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@Catweazle said:
But starting from scratch developing a new independent engine would have made sense 20 years ago, but not now, this train has already gone.
yeah, thinking of a completely new engine, and call it ... PRESTO!
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@Stardust, sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it in 2026, launching a browser with a new independent engine build from scratch (???).
Yes, the World needs a new engine ASAP! We have one Evil Corp controlling chromium, another one - Mozilla is going downhill (Mozilla recently acquired Ad company)
Not the first one who tried it, among the already 70 abandoned browsers out there.
70 abandoned browsers based on chromium? No one cares about them. Or was there an attempt to build engine from scratch? I don't remember such
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@luetage said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@Stardust I read about it too, it was all over reddit. I bookmarked it and will check on it in a few years, if I don’t forget about it. It’s a bold endeavor.
I wish them success! Gonna follow the project too
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@3dvs Jon and his team considered this for weeks, if not months, before embarking on the project. Their assessment at the time was that it would make development harder, slower and less certain, so they adopted a path of lesser resistance. Any guess now as to what might have been would be pure speculation.
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The main problem isn't (anymore) the engine a browser use, its the web standart and the degree of compatibility of the engines with these standards. Too much time has been left free for Google, allowing it to impose these standards. This results in webmasters naturally optimizing their pages for the most used engines and this is by far Blink.
Chromium is 100% FOSS and can be modified at will, but not the pages that use Google APIs (the majority) and are therefore optimized for this engine. This is what Google controls, not the Chromium code. YouTube is a good example of this, with growing problems for Firefox users, independent of ads. These problems will also extend to other pages in the future, which is why I believe that Blink will sooner or later be a universal standard, which it already practically is with 80% of the market..
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
This is what Google controls, not the Chromium code.
and Chromium code, Google topics already an Chromium browser.
YouTube is a good example of this, with growing problems for Firefox users, independent of ads.
What problems? YouTube works in Firefox.
These problems will also extend to other pages in the future
we will have to keep a second chromium browser for such sites or abandon such sites
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@thebestpessimist: Some Vivaldi users prefer the built-in unblocker.
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@Stardust, ask MS with their Chromium browser how much influence Google has over Edge, less than 0. But if you look in some SN and even here in the forum respect Firefox, you'll see a lot of claims about the performance in YT and other sites.
Gecko in general has a worse performance, not because Gecko is worse than Blink, but as said, the web is made for Blink thanks Google, also the reason because the vast majory browsers are all with Chromium as engine.Is it something I like? Surely not, as I said before, we have allowed Google to roam around for too long as the global player and now that it is the company that practically dominates the Internet by establishing the rules of the game, it is already too late and all that remains is to make the best of it. Law of the market.
In any case, it is useless to discuss this, changing the Vivaldi engine is impossible and a browser that perhaps within 5-6 years will have its own engine on par with the current ones after decades of development and improvement, It's going to be a pretty innocent dream..
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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Let's clarify the three types of users that exist:
1.- Those who are satisfied with the built-in ad-blocker and will continue to use Vivaldi.
2.- Those who are not satisfied with the built-in ad-blocker and therefore use uBO; and will strive to make the ad-blocker as similar to uBO as possible and will continue to use Vivaldi.
3.- Those who are not satisfied with the built-in ad-blocker and therefore use uBO; and are not willing to stop using uBO and therefore will NOT continue using Vivaldi.
Which group do you identify with?
