Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@Preorian #
Did you test uBlock Lite? I was always use uBlock with default settings more or less so I am fine with the Vivaldi ad blocker.
I get 96% blocking on https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html with this list:
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I haven't tested it, but I have read about it and the whole situation and unfortunately it's not a suitable solution for me. Thanks for trying to help though. I have few options, which I posted earlier, and that's it.. for now. I hope for a speedy miracle.
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@Preorian
floorp
+uBO
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@ybjrepnfr said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@Preorian
floorp
+uBO
+sidebery
=I don't know about the floorp. Some guy wrote in an article:
Uncertain future: Floorp was built by a tiny team in Japan with one primary developer, and asks only for voluntary donations in return. The team has committed to monthly updates that integrate Firefox’s latest security patches, but if that commitment ever wavers, I’m gone.
The security stuff doesn't convince me. Only monthly updates of security patches?! And the "small" team also doesn't put any confidence in me.
Thanks for trying to help. Always appreciated.
I'm not ready to make any moves yet. I'll have to sit this out for a while and see what happens.
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@catweazle: Thanks, that works fine.
Imported most of the filter lists from https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/tree/master/filters and even YouTube works -
@zvaranka said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
I use the Adguard program and app on both desktop and Android. So I'm not using a browser plugin.
Aside from it not being free, how do you like it? Any deficiencies compared to something like uBO on desktop? I've thought about a proxy solution like that from time to time.
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How do I recognize whether an installed extension uses Manifest V2 or V3?
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@stardepp
Hi, I test uBlock Origin Lite at moment and as V3 extensions have to use service workers instead of browser background processes it shows it in details.
ScriptRunner V3 shows the same.Cheers, mib
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@rseiler : I have been using Adguard's service for several years, both on a desktop (Windows 11) and on Android devices. I bought a lifetime license that can be used on 9 devices.
At first I used a plugin connected to the browser, but now I use the Windows application and the Android application, so I don't have to use the browser plugin. In other words, the browser receives filtered data from the outset.
I am very satisfied with Adguard's service, I don't see any advertising, at most a popup window sometimes to turn off the advertising filter. But no ads really.
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so you have a year to develop your content blocker enough, I don't know the extent of your engines capabilities, architecture and such, but I'm sure gorhill will gladly point you in the right direction if you ask him for help. Also you may take a look at Shields as AFAIK that project is using similar algorithms and data structures to uBO and has a lot of power available, only not exposed in GUI, so within Vivaldi could shine, but you'd really have to push hard towards that goal, one year isn't a lot of time when you have to spend a lot of time merely on taming Chromium nonsense
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@preorian: most of the time gorhill spent would be R&D so reusing all that effort would save a lot of time, but I do agree one year is a pretty tight deadline for that anyway
unfortunately Firefox is gone since 2017, recently Mozilla started moving a bit into the right direction again, but even if they don't change the course it will take a lot of time to recover too
for all these past years I've always said: Vivaldi (and Brave for that matter) should've been built on top of Firefox codebase, so many problems were solved already there!
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@thewiley, don't understand me wrong, uBO until now is fine and trustworth, but in the future the version in the ChromeStore wil not be the same as it is now. Vivaldi can surrount, like also Firefox do, the restriction of Mv3, but not the restrictions of the extensions which are offered in the stores, there the uBO only will be an version "lite". The code in the Chromium base an be modified, but using extensions from the store won't be the same until now, that is the difference. Because this the need to make Vivaldi as much as possible independent from the Chrome Store in the near future, improving the own ad/trackerblocker and including an userscript manager will be the way because of the lack of an own store.
Don't confuse what is uBO until now with the uBO when it pass to v3. -
It seems I'll have to go through the same pain that I went through back in 2014, this time with no way out. Back when Opera switched to Chromium I was flip-flopping between Chrome and Firefox until I found out about Vivaldi, which I have been using for nearly a decade even before the 1.0 release, but it seems that it has became the very thing it was meant to fight against when it was first created.
First of all, this entire article is a PR fluff piece. It does not address the main issue, it gaslights Vivaldi's current userbase into believing that Manifest v2 going away isn't a bad thing, that it was actually a privacy issue and it upsells Vivaldi's built-in adblocker that is inferior to uBlock Origin which is the number one reason why people are worried about Manifest v2 deprecation, but also not the only one. It's tone-deaf at least and malicious at most.
Second of all, Jon von Tetzchner, CEO of Vivaldi Technologies, was staunchly anti-Google web browser monopoly back when he worked at Opera. When he started work on Vivaldi, he decided on Chromium as Firefox Quantum wasn't there yet. But once Firefox's engine became a viable option, Jon never took an attempt such as the Linux Mint developers took with LMDE to slowly decouple Vivaldi from Chromium at a slower, lower priority pace, and instead got stuck in this Stockholm syndrome of criticizing Google's decisions with Chromium while still using it for his product and avoiding taking up the effort to abandon it for the underdog alternative and the only real competitor once it was viable to do so.
Finally, this is Vivaldi's mission statement:
"We’re building a browser that is powerful, personal and private. A browser that adapts to you, not the other way around."
I believe this hasn't been the case for years. Vivaldi has had a very dubious relation to privacy, akin to that of Brendan Eich's Brave, and moving forward, I will have to adapt to Vivaldi the moment Manifest v2 extensions no longer work, not the other way around.
In Vivaldi's "About" page there are also these guiding principles:
"Respect each other, question everything, be creative and get things done."
Question everything. Indeed, Vivaldi Technologies has made some incredibly questionable decisions throughout the years, yet the community has seemingly always downplayed them in it's culture of toxic positivity, as is doing it right now with the most egregious decision and statement from Vivaldi Technologies to date.
At this point Vivaldi seems like the Apple of web browsers and it's unfortunate to see as there is no other browser like that on the market, but this ship has been collecting holes in the deck for a while, it's slowly sinking and the only way out is to jump on a lifeboat. I wished this day would never come again, but alas, it has. The ability to successfully block ads overweighs all the UI/UX benefits for which I stayed with Vivaldi for all these years, and the truth is no other ad blocker will be as good as uBlock Origin.
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"Vivaldi’s goal to make bad ads sad continues, regardless." I think that is a typo. Perhaps you meant "saga" instead of "sad". You should correct immediately it is confusing to read.
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@supra107 using Quantum as a base would be worse than using Firefox before though as it makes customization much harder
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Everyone only talks about adblock, but there are a bunch of other extensions that have problems to work properly with manifest 3, or ones that have been working fine for years, but the developer has already abandoned them.
One such extension without which I can't imagine using the Internet is Stylus, but if Google doesn't do anything about it, it will be a problem:
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@despair1945 I think they meant "sad" and it makes sense that way !
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@rivedroite: Oh I see the intention. "Bad ads sad" is still a bit awkward IMO unless the kids use it differently these days. : )
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to me ads are only a welcome side effect, i would not mind a reasonable amount if they would come w/o tracking and privacy concerns. this is why i use uMatrix and have all 3rd party scripts disabled by default, i only enable what the website really needs to function. as most of the typical website's code does not even load, i am browsing much faster this way. so browsing with v3 will be slower not faster! but then again, speed is certainly not a serious concern any more these days. privacy/tracking is - for me at least. hope vivaldi reconsiders, potentially joining forces with others to keep v2 alive. otherwise i am afraid it will be next exit librewolf.
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@despair1945 I just saw it as a fun word play.