Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
You may call it that way but it is imo exactly Arch's ecosystem and popularity again
Popular as it is it is not more popular than Ubuntu + derivaties and Debian + dervatives from the last stats I looked at. Not even close. Your 99% is IMHO way off. But if you surround yourself with Arch users… all you see are… Arch users.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
18.04 is not supported anymore from what I saw
It is supported until the end of June. And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!
I've only checked distrowatch.com There it stated 2023-04
. But even then, June is next month, it's not that these kind of problems won't be happening again in the future.make a flatpak for them like requested (for which I'd like to see how you will include the proprietary codec...)
It could not be included for much the same reasons as in the deb, rpm. Flatpak does not make this easier, indeed it makes supporting media harder!
Security is also harder on flatpak for Chromium based distros. You must replace the Chromium sandox with zypak, which is maintained by a single person and relies on a decrepated method.
There is a reason there is not a single officially maintained flatpak from the Chromium browser manufaturers.
That is not to say we will not do it. I have made a flatpak internally whilst testing which is why I know all of this.
Don't tell me about how bad flatpak is
, I am against of all those "containerized solutions" since the beginning, tell that to the "casual crowd" who are demanding it from you, because of some youtube (paid or willing to make money) influencers and because they are susceptible to big tech's (Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE) marketing agendas (immutable systems with containers, how are we going to sell new stuff if we don't create a need for it), btw that crowd is not the one using Slackware I believe -
@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
not more popular than Ubuntu + derivaties and Debian + dervatives from the last stats I looked at.
then why wasn't it provided by an Ubuntu user if those are so popular. I'm not talking of course only about popularity of users, but about an ecosystem that attracts lots of "crucial" people who are willing to and can do "the real work that matters"
️, way ahead of everyone because of the nature of the distro.In the AUR, there are really many, many niche package builds you won't find elsewhere in a such an easily accessible and confined environment, if at all.
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
I've only checked distrowatch.com
distrowatch is worse than meaninless.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
distrowatch is worse than meaninless.
Fine, let's see it then:
"Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ‘Bionic Beaver‘, one of the most popular Ubuntu releases, will reach the end of the standard, five-year maintenance window for Long-Term Support (LTS) releases on 31 May 2023."
https://ubuntu.com//blog/18-04-end-of-standard-support
11 days more... I don't know what you 're sources are but it's definitely not June either, like you said
("It is supported until the end of June.")And besides... point remains.
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@npro Ok I misrecalled, start rather than end. Though I see you are strategically ignoring this a couple of times in a row now.
And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!
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Btw... I noticed the right click menu uses much smaller fonts with this snapshot. Is it known and registered?
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@npro I noticed that too but I have not logged or investigated yet.
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@Ruarí Cool, thanks.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
Though I see you are strategically ignoring this a couple of times in a row now.
And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!Hah, what am I supposed to comment on that, it's 3 years old, so the same applies, it's LTS, my suggestion to people is "Don't use LTS for the Desktop, it makes 0 sense!"
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@npro Really 3 years is too old?
P.S. Don't tell those poor Debian users they can't run it on the desktop either, as their stable version also has a 2.31 glibc.
P.P.S. Since you like Distrowatch stats I see the current top there is MX Linux, which also has a too old glibc, since … you guessed it, it is based on Debian Stable.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
@npro Really 3 years is too old?
For newer software with new features? I suppose that is a rhetorical question.
Debian is not suitable for the Desktop either.
I only use Distrowatch to compare package versions and release dates, there's no credibility in its statistics and they say that.
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
there's no credibility in its statistics and they say that.
Hey… that is what I said too!
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@Ruarí actually no you said that it was worse than meaningless, meaning the whole of it
, while I speak only about statistics. I haven't tested it extensively for some years now, but when I did, the distrowatch package versions weren't different from those that repology.org and pkgs.org were reporting. -
@npro Oh and btw, most Ubuntu LTS releases always had an EOL in April, so distrowatch was pretty spot on on that except for 18.04 LTS which seems an exception by Canonical.
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@npro No, since you mentioned DW relating to popularity I assumed you meant stats and that is what I was reacting to.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
I suppose @ugly could run it and go all out… or maybe read it in a text editor and look at the list of deps and install each on a case by case basis.
I took a look at it in a text editor and made an educated guess on the package I would need to keep installing extra packages to a minimum. It turns out the last one I needed to install was
mesa-common-dev.So, if it helps, I needed to install
libevdev-dev,libnss3-dev,libcubs2-dev, andmesa-common-devas extra packages. But, there is a possibility that I had already installed some of the dev packages for other stuff I compiled in the past, so others might have to install more.Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon
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@Ruarí I didn't quote DW for popularity but for the EOL date of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, here is the part:
@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
I've only checked distrowatch.com There it stated 2023-04 .
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@Ruarí But hey, we've given so much juice to this thread (
or should I call it spam) that many users will have much to read while having their morning coffee - or ignore us both most probably... -
@ugly said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
So, if it helps, I needed to install libevdev-dev, libnss3-dev, libcubs2-dev, and mesa-common-dev as extra packages. But, there is a possibility that I had already installed some of the dev packages for other stuff I compiled in the past, so others might have to install more.
That does help! And to be 100% clear you managed to compile a working lib now?
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