Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3
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@ybjrepnfr: what is the number of the bug you logged?
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@Ruarí are you asking @mib2berlin [to whom you replied], or me?
if me, i have not logged a b/r. as per my post above, i'm not willing to upload a file from my
~/homedirectory which i cannot first inspect to be comfortable about it not including any private data. sorry. consequently, i decided to abandon my attempts to update, & will stay on the prior version for now. -
Linux ffmpeg alternative - install Play with MPV plugin
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/play-with-mpv/hahklcmnfgffdlchjigehabfbiigleji -
@Ruarí I know but, Ubuntu & its spins, Mint, Pop! OS, Elementary, Fedora & its spins & derivatives, all rolling distros and their spins, which probably make 99% of Desktop distros can already use the codec from Arch. Those who use old and crusty distros (not meant for Desktop really) shouldn't be using Snapshot in the first place, they only display how ignorant (or stubborn) they really are in cases like this.
Thus it would be probably better to switch places to those 2 posts of yours, as while they are showing up one below the other in the "blog" format, the 2nd and more relevant to that 99% is burried in the "forum" format, and as it seems most use the forum for reading and commenting, not the blog, so they miss it.
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@npro HEY! I use Slackware 15 (which is the current stable) and it does not have a new enough glibc to use the Arch file!
However, on the flip side I know how to create my own suitable lib anyway.
P.S. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and 20.04 LTS are both still supported and will not be able to use this file. Nor any derivatives based on them. Debian stable and any derivative based on it will not be able to use this file. openSUSE will only work with if the user is using Tumbleweed, so the 15.4 stable will not work. And so on. I think you are vastly overestimating with that 99% guess, which also explains the comments from users who are struggling.
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@csablak: No use because Youtube is 90% open media these days and those formats work just fine in the snapshot, so this does not help play youtube. Youtube works, it is other sites that do not and this extension does nothing for them. So thanks for trying but sadly this does not help.
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@npro There is nothing special about Arch that means that this is more likely to work or is easier on Arch. It is just lucky circumstances because we have a situation where a Vivaldi fan is also a Tusted User both for Arch and our community ( @BlackIkeEagle is also a soprano) and he offers a package. He can do that because he is based on Europe, with a server in Europe. So software patents thus do not apply.
Anyone else could similarly make and offer a file, so long as they are also Europe based and serve from Europe and most importantly our community trusts them (since it is not good to just load binary software form a random source).
I would offer the file I have here, which would work on all distros but… I am am obviously too closely associated with Vivaldi. IANAL but I would assume that this would be considered roughly the same as Vivaldi sharing it directly.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
HEY! I use Slackware 15 (which is the current stable) and it does not have a new enough glibc to use the Arch file!
However, on the flip side I know how to create my own suitable lib anywayIn the words of a famous ranter, "nobody uses Slackware nowadays, except for some zombies
" - and those are so old and nerdy that know how to do things, unlike the majority of "casual distro" users- , so you are in that 1% (which includes other niche/1-man-project distros as well) 
18.04 LTS and the others you 've mentioned are even more crusty than Debian 11, and 18.04 is not supported anymore from what I saw, so my point remains I think, that those (users) should not be using bleeding edge software like the Vivaldi Snapshot, unless you want to make a flatpak for them like requested (for which I'd like to see how you will include the proprietary codec...). Instead of compiling headaches and having all this talk about crusty libraries it makes more sense for those users to use Vivaldi Snapshot in a container of some "freshier" distro in my opinion, using
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
There is nothing special about Arch that means that this is more likely to work or is easier on Arch. It is just lucky circumstances
You may call it that way but it is imo exactly Arch's ecosystem and popularity again that has proved how much variety of (niche) & fresh software it contains especially with the ports-like system used for the AUR, unlike any other distro, like OpenSUSE for example, with which if you are going to mess around with its OBS (or external repos) you are looking for big big stability troubles in the longrun.
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
18.04 is not supported anymore from what I saw
It is supported until the end of June. And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!
make a flatpak for them like requested (for which I'd like to see how you will include the proprietary codec...)
It could not be included for much the same reasons as in the deb, rpm. Flatpak does not make this easier, indeed it makes supporting media harder!
Security is also harder on flatpak for Chromium based distros. You must replace the Chromium SUID sandbox with zypak, which is maintained by a single person and in addition the SUID sandbox is a fallback in the first place, happening only because the namespace one cannot be setup by Chromium when running under flatpak.
There is a reason there is not a single officially maintained flatpak from the Chromium browser manufaturers.
That is not to say we will not do it (I need to spend more time looking at this). I have made a flatpak internally whilst testing which is why I became aware of all of this.
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
You may call it that way but it is imo exactly Arch's ecosystem and popularity again
Popular as it is it is not more popular than Ubuntu + derivaties and Debian + dervatives from the last stats I looked at. Not even close. Your 99% is IMHO way off. But if you surround yourself with Arch users… all you see are… Arch users.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
18.04 is not supported anymore from what I saw
It is supported until the end of June. And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!
I've only checked distrowatch.com There it stated 2023-04
. But even then, June is next month, it's not that these kind of problems won't be happening again in the future.make a flatpak for them like requested (for which I'd like to see how you will include the proprietary codec...)
It could not be included for much the same reasons as in the deb, rpm. Flatpak does not make this easier, indeed it makes supporting media harder!
Security is also harder on flatpak for Chromium based distros. You must replace the Chromium sandox with zypak, which is maintained by a single person and relies on a decrepated method.
There is a reason there is not a single officially maintained flatpak from the Chromium browser manufaturers.
That is not to say we will not do it. I have made a flatpak internally whilst testing which is why I know all of this.
Don't tell me about how bad flatpak is
, I am against of all those "containerized solutions" since the beginning, tell that to the "casual crowd" who are demanding it from you, because of some youtube (paid or willing to make money) influencers and because they are susceptible to big tech's (Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE) marketing agendas (immutable systems with containers, how are we going to sell new stuff if we don't create a need for it), btw that crowd is not the one using Slackware I believe -
@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
not more popular than Ubuntu + derivaties and Debian + dervatives from the last stats I looked at.
then why wasn't it provided by an Ubuntu user if those are so popular. I'm not talking of course only about popularity of users, but about an ecosystem that attracts lots of "crucial" people who are willing to and can do "the real work that matters"
️, way ahead of everyone because of the nature of the distro.In the AUR, there are really many, many niche package builds you won't find elsewhere in a such an easily accessible and confined environment, if at all.
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@npro said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
I've only checked distrowatch.com
distrowatch is worse than meaninless.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
distrowatch is worse than meaninless.
Fine, let's see it then:
"Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ‘Bionic Beaver‘, one of the most popular Ubuntu releases, will reach the end of the standard, five-year maintenance window for Long-Term Support (LTS) releases on 31 May 2023."
https://ubuntu.com//blog/18-04-end-of-standard-support
11 days more... I don't know what you 're sources are but it's definitely not June either, like you said
("It is supported until the end of June.")And besides... point remains.
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@npro Ok I misrecalled, start rather than end. Though I see you are strategically ignoring this a couple of times in a row now.
And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!
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Btw... I noticed the right click menu uses much smaller fonts with this snapshot. Is it known and registered?
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@npro I noticed that too but I have not logged or investigated yet.
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@Ruarí Cool, thanks.
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@Ruarí said in Upgrade to Chromium 114 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 3023.3:
Though I see you are strategically ignoring this a couple of times in a row now.
And 20.04 and all derivatives is supported until April 2025!Hah, what am I supposed to comment on that, it's 3 years old, so the same applies, it's LTS, my suggestion to people is "Don't use LTS for the Desktop, it makes 0 sense!"
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