Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks
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@josephj11 said in Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks:
@Lugh1 That works pretty well for single tags, but fails when you want more than one because it is dependent on the order of the tags in the description and no Boolean logic can be used. E.g. umbrella and not insurance. If your tags are a b c, you can't search for a and c and a search for b a will also fail.
I don't know what to tell you, it works for me.
If I have #a #b #c in description and search for #a #c it works, if I search for #c #a or #b #a etc... it still works.
And of course it finds all bookmarks where there are these tags. -
@josephj11 said in Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks:
and no Boolean logic can be used. E.g. umbrella and not insurance. If your tags are a b c, you can't search for a and c and a search for b a will also fail
I forgot, yes, it would be convenient, but you can't use that even in Firefox (for example).
So, as a proposition for developers, it would be nice to add the ability to exclude words to bookmark search, -
@Lugh1 I will try this out shortly. Things may have improved or your method of tagging may work better than mine does.
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@Lugh1 What did you have set up in AutoKey? I do support for AutoKey and like to keep up with how it's being used.
If you are interested, you can connect with us at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/autokey-users or at https://gitter.im/autokey/autokey.
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@josephj11 said in Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks:
What did you have set up in AutoKey? I do support for AutoKey and like to keep up with how it's being used.
I set it up very simply. I created a TAG folder and assigned it a hotkey.
In this folder I put the tags separately as a simple phrase (also in subfolder).
So when I insert the bookmark and I'm in the description with the hotkey the drop-down menu opens and I choose the tag to insert.
(for the record I use Linux)In my spare time I'm working on my own website and my own framework, so I don't have much time right now but if it happens I'll come check out the Autokey forums.
Sorry for my english, it's not the best.
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@josephj11 said in Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks:
@Lugh1 I will try this out shortly. Things may have improved or your method of tagging may work better than mine does.
If I understand correctly your problem is that you use comma as separator, so the search can't treat each label on its own. If you try to use a simple space instead it works. I put a # first for my convenience, so I distinguish the tags from the rest of a possible description (which I insert a line below the tags) but it works also without #
Also if you have a #todo tag and in another bookmark you have todo in the description if you search for #todo you find where you have the tag but not where you have simple todo in the description.
So I think it's better to use a # or @ attached before the tag.
I use both as well as % and more, this way I can also easily distinguish tags that are for certain arguments and tags that are for other arguments. I don't know if you understand what I mean, otherwise I can try to give you more specific examples. -
@Lugh1 That makes perfect sense. Thanks.
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@Pesala
The interesting thing about your suggestion is that, remaining in the discussion, I can use the notes even when I do the search, I don't need to remember all the tags, I just need to insert them in the notes.Outside of speech, notes can be used for insertions in many other things, even in web forms for example. At first glance they might seem like a less user friendly system, but it is very powerful.
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This request has been added to the pipeline. It means that although we haven't started working on it yet, we're planning to expand the bookmarking functionality in the future by adding tags.
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@pafflick Finally! Thanks for ihe update.
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@josephj11 this actually feels, and looks like request most likely written by me. The quote is very much like I often write, and lack of tags on bookmarks have been one of the things I've disliked with many browsers. Another used to be lack of as powerful add-on API's, but since Firefox ditched the legacy addon's that has been not an issue, and WebExtensions have gotten more powerful - sadly not enough to allow rewriting my favourite keyboard optimized browsing add-on, a little known legacy one called Key-Snail which let user redefining, or defining keys for every part of the browser, like fille save dialog (but I guess that won't become possible without forking Firefox or Chromium and letting addons do that.
But this is awesome news. I only wish at least Vivaldi for addon support for mobile version - currently Firefox is the only one, although there's some with addon's as APK's, but they've removed the support from their UI's and any mentions of their API for creating them, though if you can still find any, they show up and work. Dolphin and UC Browser pop to mind, but no Chromium based ones support WebExtensions on their mobile browsers, Vivaldi is the best candidate for being first to do it.
Vivaldi has not as much need for them though, but still would be a big improvement.But thanks for this, it will very likely become my main desktop browser - on mobile i don't have one, I choose one based on case, the shared no. 1 place already includes Vivaldi, FF and Opera Mini, not in any particular order.
Thank you!!
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@RobsukeDaisuke I didn't write the original request. I linked to it in my first post. It was very old - from before we had this features requests list.
If you want more control of actions in Vivaldi (or anywhere else) and you're not on a phone, then check out desktop automation tools. They let you do things like run a script when you press a hotkey. The script can then access your system and emit keyboard and mouse actions. Most applications cannot tell that you're not manually performing these actions and just work. Linux: AutoKey Windows: AutoHotKey Mac:Automator and Maestro. And there are a few others on the various platforms. There's not much like that for phones though.
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@josephj11 Its ok, but the html structure supported long time ago the "TAG" searchable data. so when impored from any other browser bookmarks or imported from raindrop_io or something else, there the normal tags but i cant use in vivaldi.
Who's use the "nickname" in vivaldi bookmark manager. -
@Gusthy Does that mean that whatever bookmarks I originally imported into Vivaldi (long ago) might already have tags on them that could be exposed when this feature is added to Vivaldi?
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@josephj11 No, srry:
source bookmark html:
<DT><A HREF="https://www-hirkereso-hu" ADD_DATE="1586552593" LAST_MODIFIED="1586552593" TAGS="" DATA-COVER="" DESCRIPTION="Friss hírek percről-percre">Hírkereső - A hírek itt kezdődnek!</A>
after impor inside vivaldi:
<DT><A HREF="https://www-hirkereso-hu/" ADD_DATE="1586552593">Hírkereső - A hírek itt kezdődnek!</A>
No TAGS and no LAST MODIFIED and no DATA-COVER cells after import...And no DESCRIPTION too...
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@josephj11 Thanks, Not sure why that didn't come up when I searched, probably my error. Happy to find this thread.
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@pafflick said in Add Searchable Tags for Bookmarks:
This request has been added to the pipeline. It means that although we haven't started working on it yet, we're planning to expand the bookmarking functionality in the future by adding tags.
Excellent news! Is there a place where I can see progress on this. Also, possibly contribute comments?
I read/skimmed this entire thread, and agree with the general idea. I have a ton of bookmarks, quite comprehensively organized in folders and subfolders. This works well for easily identified categories and subcategories, eg: FOOD > COOKING > BAKING > BREADS. It's not useful for tagging thematically. For example, a particular BREAD article, beyond the subject information, may have (also) connected for me to an entirely other topic. I may want to tag it as "philosophy" or "engineering". A year or two later, I might remember the insight, but not where it was from -- a bread article would be the last place I looked.
Being able to freely apply multiple tags from an autocomplete list (to avoid duplicates) would, as one someone put it, turn Vivaldi into a complete knowledge management system for web pages.
ADDED: I guess this is the place/thread to follow until work on it is actually started....
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Hello, chiming in with my very first post on the forum (according to my profile at least, though I made this account a bit over a year ago) to show my support for this feature.
I believe I have somewhere on the order of 100 tags on Firefox, though admittedly a lot of them are duplicates. I would MUCH prefer tagging over folders, because as others have expressed, sometimes you may want to put something into multiple mutually exclusive folders.
To put it in programming terms, it seems like the difference between a hash map and a tree, or in database terms, the difference between a single string field for a path vs. a junction table for a many-many relationship (Where the junction table stores the tags themselves and both sides of the many-many relationship come from the same "Bookmark" object-table).
With this in mind, and if I were more skilled with C++, I'd offer to write some of the code for you (even though it's not open source...). As it is, I might instead attempt, sometime
, to write a bookmark manager in a language I'm already familiar with, and maybe share that implementation for your developers to get an idea.
...Of course, I already have many things I myself want to write, many things in my own project-idea backlog, so "sometime" is the operative word here. I imagine it's the same with your developers adding features to this project and anything else they may be working on! So I don't judge too harshly if this never happens (Though I'm pleased to see that it's prospects are good currently!). Just understand I may go back to Firefox as a result, if it becomes too much of an issue for me.
Because frankly this, along with the absence of tab containers (Another feature I dearly miss from Firefox, or more technically, one of their official extensions. It's what my first post would have been on if I had anything to add to the existing conversation about it. I think I ended up just upvoting it instead), are making me start to SERIOUSLY reconsider my decision to migrate to this ecosystem. (There are still at least 3 solid reasons NOT to migrate back, however: workspaces, tab stacks, and Sessions/save as session. Big thanks for those features!)PS: sorry this got a bit ramble-y. It's been a long day, perhaps I should've waited till tomorrow to write this post.
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@TwistedCode Thanks for your support. Before you change browsers, take a look at raindrop.io. It works with almost any browser and on Android. It does tags and a lot more. I've been using the free version for a couple of years.
