Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems
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@Ayespy , I quite agree with this observation, apart from some details, such as the language used in the commands in Windows and Linux (necessary use in Windows very little and in Linux also less and less), extensions of some files and their handling, something easier in Windows.....
A current distro does not require a learning curve that can be defined as such (I at least did not have any problems in the past with Kubuntu, with which I immediately felt quite comfortable).
In any case, currently 99% of our use of the PC is online, where the environment is the one offered by the browser and where the OS is irrelevant, it is also irrelevant for the use of graphic applications, editors, office apps, games, etc. (of this there are also more and more of the latest generation for Linux).
In summary, the user does not have to worry about difficulties regarding a change from Windows to Linux based on certain differences at the level of system management, since how many times is it necessary to tinker with the UI and the functionalities of an OS, once configured and with the apps that are needed?
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@Ayespy
Thank you for this detailed article.
I found it very informative.
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@Ayespy Thanks! That's possibly the best response I've ever had to any questions, theoretical or otherwise, about Linux (and that's with all due respect to others who've been good enough to contribute their time and opinions).
We're in the same age bracket, so no doubt have many similar difficulties and concerns about all this modern stuff - I remain a fountain pen and nice paper for letters man, myself, and it's annoying when people still respond to me by email!
Anyhow, you've given me something to chew on, so thanks for that!
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@Hadden89 said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
@ingolftopf Q4OS is nice,
even if I'm a bit sad it doesn't offer tweaked xfce variant
It does, I just have selected it. Now I'm with an overbloated plasma desktop with konqueror and vivaldi is not in the featured apps
Well if the UEFI boot is not dead - or if Win11 won't the destroy the dual boot - I'll switch to my beloved xfce and keep this side os with me ^^Vivaldi might not be featured app, but go to Vivaldi.com and it will download and install just fine in Q4OS.
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Aaaaah... will have to buy a SSD and more RAM for my father computer to unfortunately update to Windows 10.
Ubuntu Based Tuxedo OS 4 (Plasma 6.2.3 Frameworks 6.8 QT 6.8 Wayland)
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@Panino
Or use Linux.
Dank an alle hier! Klasse Browser, tolles Forum.
GNU/Linux: 'Q4OS' / Debian 12 'Bookworm', Android 7 / Android 15 ('GrapheneOS', ein Segen! Aber nur für Google 'Pixel' Geräte z.Z. Ist schon irre, um Google loszuwerden)
Dabei seit dem alten Opera Presto. -
@Panino , a SSD anyway is fine, but W10 don't need much more min sys specs than W7
Processor:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC)
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard drive size:
32GB or larger hard disk
Graphics card:
Compatible with DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver
Display: 800x600
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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Despite the "Official Specs Paper",
Does anyone install W7/10/11/....
Just to run the OS?People use Apps on Top, and now they use much more resources than before.
The OS too.Been using W10 for a while time ago on the laptop but went back to W7 since has less unnecessary things and its performance it's better.
LTSC or Lite versions work better as for low end computers as to avoid annoyances for people.
Recently knew about some W10/11 Lite versions, Mini10, WinterOS and there's another, they are focused for LowEnd and to Gamers, would help to some people.
Not tested myself but seems they work fine.
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@Catweazle said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
@Panino , a SSD anyway is fine, but W10 don't need much more min sys specs than W7
Processor:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC)
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
Hard drive size:
32GB or larger hard disk
Graphics card:
Compatible with DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver
Display: 800x600
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
This is nonsense... these specs.
Try using Windows 10 on a system like that.But I was thinking about putting a SSD there anyway (duplicating the disk). Well, there's the money, what lacks now is more will to finally let go of Windows 7.
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@Panino , yes you can without problems, there are even small netbooks and tablets working with W10. The only thing which maybe don't work in these is the Windows Store (which no one in their right mind uses anyway), because need a bigger resolution than the OS.
A niece of mine has a 12 year old PC with 4Gb RAM 32 bits and has switched to W10 with no problems, runs reasonably fast, despite the old HD, with an SSD it surely works perfectly.>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@ingolftopf said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
@Panino
Or use Linux.there is no better choice unless you need some proprietary software, I miss Fedora so much
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X86 Will be the next
Probably soon
I manage a 2Gb Ram with W7, since Presto RIP, no one runs as flawlessly, neither Vivaldi since the Cr engine. ://
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@Zalex108
Hi, the next is Windows 10, 2025.
What I not understand often is you can buy a used PC or school PS´s for 20-40 €, why you keep your old hardware as long as possible?Cheers, mib
Opensuse Tumbleweed x86_64 KDE 6.2 X11, Windows 11 Pro, Vivaldi latest
HP Probook Intel(R) i5-8350U 16 GB, GPU UHD 620, SSD 256 GB
Miniforum-B550 AMD Ryzen 7 4700G 16 GB, Radeon Graphics
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Yes,
I mean x32 versions will be deprecated.
Some Linux versions already did it.That 2Gb PC is not used that much to replace it.
20/40€?And works?
I'll check what's on a shop which sells Companies computers, just for an overall idea, time ago wasn't powerful nor as cheap.
I run with a i5 2k 6Gb, works fine despite I set up everything as a Low End to keep it lightweight.
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"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@Zalex108
I buy several of this kind of computers and they are expensive because companies buy "Professional" hardware, they don´t buy at Walmarkt or something. Simply check what such computer cost new, then you see there are not really expensive they are cheap.
It´s getting a bit of topic now but I meant more private to private buying or even Ebay or similar.
A quick check about the Elitebook, it cost 1539 € in 2017.Cheers, mib
Opensuse Tumbleweed x86_64 KDE 6.2 X11, Windows 11 Pro, Vivaldi latest
HP Probook Intel(R) i5-8350U 16 GB, GPU UHD 620, SSD 256 GB
Miniforum-B550 AMD Ryzen 7 4700G 16 GB, Radeon Graphics
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@mib2berlin , yes, MS says 2025, but I don't believe it, in Windows 7 the out also came many years after the announced date. I think that for W10 it will be similar.
In 2025 there will be too many users whose PC or laptop relatively current, which does not support an update to W11 (without cheating), like mine. Turning off the tap in 2025 will cause many users to send them to sweep the desert.
