Solved Auto mark email as read option
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@m33m33 Vote for the first post if you haven't already done so. (Voting again will remove your vote).
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Must have. Don't understand why this is even up for suggestion.
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Must have. Don't understand why this is even up for suggestion.
Yours is a very interesting stance as it's so different to mine: I do understand why it's up for suggestion but I absolutely do not see how this would be a "must have".
I can imagine some ways to make this work rather easily (e.g. mark a mail as read when it's de-selected), but I would not even know if this would make all of you who require this feature happy. And yes, there would be an issue with the last message.
I somehow think that this thread still would need a conceptional idea of how to display mails in a view where read mails are not listed while still marking them read automatically (immediately or after some time). I have not found such suggestions on this very thread.
Would you prefer if the unread filter was incompatible (and therefore disabled) with this setting? I would not think so, but possibly this is the idea. Or would you like the unread mail changing to read state be in some in-between-state where it's still displayed as unread but already marked read?
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@jumpsq said in Auto mark email as read option:
need a conceptional idea of how to display mails in a view where read mails are not listed while still marking them read automatically (immediately or after some time).
I have made the suggestion of marking mails as read when unselecting them (i.e. clicking on the next unread message).
As I learned with astonishment in another thread that I don't find anymore, M2 actually also ha(s)(d) the option of marking an email as read after x seconds. If you set the option, it works in Received (where it doesn't make messages magically disappear as you look at them) but the setting is ignored in Unread (where they would magically disappear). The same could be done in Vivaldi.
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We still need this!
How is going?
I think is the most voted feature in the mail section!
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@Cjcr Sorry, Vivaldi does not issue progress reports or ETAs
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@WildEnte said in Auto mark email as read option:
ok since nobody who wants this feature feels responsible of explaining how the feature is actually going to work, let the opponent make the suggestion:
Make the feature work as "automatically mark message as read when unselecting it". This means that when you click a message, it stays unread and you can actually read it in Unread (where it would otherwise just disappear). There is no timer running in the background. When you decide you are done with the message, you can just click on the next message in the list or select another view or another tab - all of this unselects the message. The moment you do that, the message you viewed gets marked as read.
This would allow Vivaldi to continue working properly with an Unread view as the keystone of managing your workflow. The "automatically mark read" folks would need to live with the fact that while the message is still open in Vivaldi, it is also still unread in other clients.
I think this is already how the default Mail app on Windows 10/11 work ? After a bit of configuration, iirc that's how mine used to work and it worked very well. It would actually be perfect on the mail/rss Vivaldi module.
I've tried to use the RSS reader but if I have to manually mark each feed as read, then I'll use something else until they allow me to somehow mark a message as read. I do not need to have different « seen » and « read » states, I only need one and I want it to be automatic when I see something, simple as that. When I want to put something aside, I manually mark it unread, not the opposite. -
I'm sorry to take this thread. There is still no way to mark unread messages as read automatically? Thats fundamental to a mail client in my opinion and pressing "k" after receiving over 100 new mails a day is not a very good solution. Is this option planned to have a mail automatically marked as read when you actually read it?
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@LightBeam said in Auto mark email as read option:
@WildEnte said in Auto mark email as read option:
ok since nobody who wants this feature feels responsible of explaining how the feature is actually going to work, let the opponent make the suggestion:
Make the feature work as "automatically mark message as read when unselecting it". This means that when you click a message, it stays unread and you can actually read it in Unread (where it would otherwise just disappear). There is no timer running in the background. When you decide you are done with the message, you can just click on the next message in the list or select another view or another tab - all of this unselects the message. The moment you do that, the message you viewed gets marked as read.
This would allow Vivaldi to continue working properly with an Unread view as the keystone of managing your workflow. The "automatically mark read" folks would need to live with the fact that while the message is still open in Vivaldi, it is also still unread in other clients.
I think this is already how the default Mail app on Windows 10/11 work ? After a bit of configuration, iirc that's how mine used to work and it worked very well. It would actually be perfect on the mail/rss Vivaldi module.
I've tried to use the RSS reader but if I have to manually mark each feed as read, then I'll use something else until they allow me to somehow mark a message as read. I do not need to have different « seen » and « read » states, I only need one and I want it to be automatic when I see something, simple as that. When I want to put something aside, I manually mark it unread, not the opposite.I just configured everything for vivaldi only to find out that the most fundamental feature of a Mail client isn't in here and that this thread exists for a long time and wasn't even considered for version 1.0.
And now I see that the feeds work the same. I wanna read a feed and forget about it. Pressing a key or a button to "forget" can't be the answer. Hope this will be integrated soon. Until that for me only the calender is really usable right now. -
@Phobos Such an option is probably inevitable.
Users who follow the tradition established by the old M2/OperaMail client, however, achieve the same efficiency by using Unseen/Unread/Read statuses the same way other clients use the Received/Read/Archived statuses. The key is to work primarily from the Unread view and to mark items "read" in order to remove them from the view without deleting them. Items that have or have not been opened and looked at are distinguished by whether they are still blue (unseen) or black (seen) in the same way other clients use bold (unread) or plain (read) titles which one removes from one's view by archiving them without deleting them.
It is a bit of an adjustment, but it works the same way. In my case, nothing is ever marked "read" until I have fully and completely dealt with it. All "unread" items still need my attention whether I have seen them or not.
Inventors of the M2/OperaMail client have carried that usage pattern over to the M3/VivaldiMail client. Thing is, M2/OperaMail also had an option to mark items as "read" after they had been open a certain number of seconds. M3 doesn't have this option yet. It's one I, personally, never used.
I see you have already visited and upvoted the feature request for this, and it does happen to be the most-requested feature at this time. That's the best you can do for the moment.
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I have similar issues with Feeds. I don't use Mail, but since Feeds is essentially Mail, I thought I would look over here. How to get this core functionality fixed?
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@ffuser1 There is nothing to do, except vote for the feature request and wait.
Vote for the first post if you haven't already done so. (Voting again will remove your vote).
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@Pesala Is there a VB number that officially marks this as a bug?
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@ffuser1 It is not a bug; it is a feature request. The Bug-tracker is closed, so I cannot tell you if someone has submitted a bug report for this. It would probably be closed as invalid.
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@gmg said in Auto mark email as read option:
Think of the Unread view as a todo list.
Once you click on it, it's marked as Seen (no longer accent color, blue with blue dot) and you've seen the mail (or task).
Marking it as read would mean you're done with it.It makes sense but not always. I receive feeds but I don't read them because they are not full articles. For that I have to click a link inside a message. But that is impossible (for obvious reasons) if I mark it as read. And if I first click a link than I must not forget to go back to mail tab and mark it as read manually. This is horrible user experience. I'm also programmer and users would hang me if I would do something like that in our app.
@gmg said in Auto mark email as read option:
But yes, this will be added.
I wonder when?
Other than that I like Vivaldi as a web browser but also as a mail client and finally migrated from Opera mail.
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@djanci said in Auto mark email as read option:
And if I first click a link than I must not forget to go back to mail tab and mark it as read manually.
Understandable. This is a bit of a workflow thing though - I like to stay in the mail / feed context first, open all links in background tabs with a middle click, and when I'm done going through my mail I start going through the tabs I opened while working through my mail and feeds. In that workflow, manually marking things I'm done with as read is good. To me, the idea of auto marking something as read is totally strange. People are different, and Vivaldi is all about options and allowing to choose, so let's wait.
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The whole problem is due to the existing distinction between unseen and unread.
Please vote for this https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/76545/option-to-disable-distinction-between-unseen-unread-mails-feeds -
When reading this thread, there are extremely many ways to work. Having us forced to conform to one way of work is not productive. I'm not using mail the same way a lot of other users are. For me, the mail is first and foremost an information channel. All important discussions / work things I need to react on, happens in other channels than mail. 99 out of 100 mails in my mailbox is simply informational. I don't need to 'work with them'.
I really do like the way the mail client is bundled into the browser.
Other than that, the user should be given the option to make the mail client work like the user wants to. For me, thats working in the received view, choosing to mark as read after either time or navigation. Sorry for being boring. -
Indeed, the feature requested is really needed.
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Alternative solution could be to add a "Unseen" message category/folder so we can use that as our main folder instead of the "Unread" one without affecting anyone else.
Btw, why "hiding" an item from the folder should "reset/hide/change" your current message? it should continue to show you (on the right side panel) the message u clicked even if it disappears from the list.
Btw 2, I think the whole "treat unread as messages I've actually read but need to act upon later" is weird as hell. I don't dislike the unseen/unread distinction M2/M3 do but that logic is not sound. If u need to act upon some message, mark it as important, mark it with a star, used a colored label, heck there's a ton of stuff for that....
