Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.

gervaisemile

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guigirl

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semsemius

@slake thank you, that heped

swiggi

As a Fastmail customer and user, I wanted to weigh in on the whole integrating mail, calendar, and more in the browser concept. Paradox - I cannot comment on the (full) blog post in Vivaldi - tried allowing trackers, and I allowed 3rd party cookies, didn't help.

mossman

@lukascarls said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

Please add IRC to Vivaldi Mail!

Ha ha ha... I think I see what you're referring to there!

mossman

@OakdaleFTL said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

@mossman: My situation is similar... But I'll retire my old client (Opera Mail); from its perch on a porch rocker, it can keep all my old mails — safe and available for searches and such. (might even try to code an interface between Vivaldi Mail and Opera Mail, just to simplify things...:) (Yeah: I sometimes shoot for the moon, Alice, to the moon!

Understood - but I'm kind of in that situation already... using Vivaldi on a work laptop with IMAP connections to a couple of current mailboxes but keeping Opera for the monthly backup.

The trouble is that this keeps me in limbo - on the desktop PC I now have Vivaldi stable for browsing, Opera for backing up, a Vivaldi snapshot on my profile testing mail from an Opera import and a Vivaldi snapshot on my wife's profile trying (and failing) to get a working import of her Thunderbird mail.

I'm just waiting patiently until I can have a single Vivaldi stable install there...!

OakdaleFTL

Just — Wow!

Wow! I really loved that brief excursion into content censorship and feelings... Whatever would adults do without the omnipresent gatekeepers to shield minds unsure enough to fear easy corruption but quite sure enough to demand what might offend someone be relegated to the internet's bit bucket, the PC Memory Hole.
Well done! (I remember someone didn't like the color red — an oops worthy mischaracterization, no?:)

Dancer18

@alexjak Don't judge too hastily. For me, the beta version already worked well enough for over a year.

I think it's good that you wrote bug reports. So it can be confirmed or help to find the bugs. Maybe it's not the email client at all, but certain extensions?

Pesala

@OakdaleFTL said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

Just — Wow!

Just woke!

OakdaleFTL

@Pesala 'Fraid I prefer the original meaning of the term: Situational awareness (...the thing that got John Derbyshire fired at National Review... )
Speaking of original meanings, wasn't the idea of a "mail client" to duplicate and secure on one's personal machine the emails mediated by email service providers?
For me, Vivaldi Mail is more of what I want (and need) than others I've tried. So: I reiterate my kudos to the team.

mossman

@OakdaleFTL said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

Speaking of original meanings, wasn't the idea of a "mail client" to duplicate and secure on one's personal machine the emails mediated by email service providers?

Not really - a mail client and a mail server are simply the two basic things required for e-mail to exist. In the very beginning these these were two processes hosted on the same mainframe machine, later servers could exchange mails between different machines. After that we ended up for a very long time with a local client talking to a remote server... and only much later than that did we get to webmail... where you have a remote server and a remote client on a website.

So for oldies stuck in the past like me, a local mail client is normal and webmail is not... it bothers me when I don't "own" the mail myself - partly mistrust and partly the result of experiencing server crashes, companies going bust etc.

But then I probably have a slightly different perspective... I have been known to talk directly to a mail server through a terminal on occasion, back when all the communication was unencrypted. (Can't remember why - probably things like cleaning up a full mailbox after some idiot sent a 1MB JPEG attachment which blocked the account... yes, that kind of thing used to happen.)

Edit: it's coming back to me now... I used to work the helpdesk of an Internet Service Provider back when people needed to contract an ISP to get connected as well as paying someone else for the phone line (I'm talking waayyyy back). So I occasionally had to go digging through customers' mail accounts "by hand" when they were having problems due to a bad set-up of their PC, spam, viruses, mailbox clogged with shared porn, etc.

OakdaleFTL

@mossman said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

So for oldies stuck in the past like me, a local mail client is normal and webmail is not... it bothers me when I don't "own" the mail myself - partly mistrust and partly the result of experiencing server crashes, companies going bust etc.

We're on the same page: Back in the days of Gopher and usenet, and that new-fangled Prodigy... Yeah, your reasoning is much the same as mine — you just express it better.
(I still pine for my old Televideo 910!)

Mikael63

Toolbar for mail still above the bookmarks (if placed at top).
Why not below bookmarks, closer to "mail-window"?

Pesala

@Mikael63 Use a CSS mod to autohide the Bookmark Bar. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it solves a lot of issues.

/* Simple AutomaticBookmark-bar */
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar {margin-bottom: -28px; z-index: 1; transform: translateY(0); transition: transform 0.1s 0.5s !important;}
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar::before {content: ''; position: absolute; height: 12px; width: 100%; top: 100%;}
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar:not(:focus-within):not(:hover) {transform: translateY(-100%);  transition: transform 0.1s 0.5s !important;}

guigirl

@mossman said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

a local mail client is normal and webmail is not... it bothers me when I don't "own" the mail myself - partly mistrust and partly the result of experiencing server crashes, companies going bust etc.

Mikael63

@Pesala said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

@Mikael63 Use a CSS mod to autohide the Bookmark Bar. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it solves a lot of issues.

/* Simple AutomaticBookmark-bar */
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar {margin-bottom: -28px; z-index: 1; transform: translateY(0); transition: transform 0.1s 0.5s !important;}
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar::before {content: ''; position: absolute; height: 12px; width: 100%; top: 100%;}
.bookmark-bar-top .bookmark-bar:not(:focus-within):not(:hover) {transform: translateY(-100%);  transition: transform 0.1s 0.5s !important;}

This solution should be implemented in v1.1, and not handled by me as a user (?)

OakdaleFTL

@Mikael63 Hm. Only what's inside the box? DIY is sort-a a tradition...

Pesala

@Mikael63 said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

This solution should be implemented in v1.1, and not handled by me as a user (?)

Along with the other 5,571 feature requests? In the real world, we have to use workarounds if what we want is not built-in, or not designed as we would like.

Please vote for Option to Autohide Bookmarks Bar

becm

@OakdaleFTL the "tradition" was to Drag&Drop toolbars where you wanted them (to a degree).

@Pesala I'd have to agree that the positioning of Panel and Bars are counter-intuitive from a certain setup/workflow perspective (what changes/updates what, top-down).

Of course changing the defaults will break somebody else's workflow.

mossman

@OakdaleFTL said in Vivaldi Mail 1.0: A powerful email client built right into your browser.:

(I still pine for my old Televideo 910!)

http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/Terminals/HP2647A-37L.jpg

This was my jam... ~~late 70s~~ early 80's (checked the dates), dad bringing work home for the weekend... stack of tape cartridges including Star Trek, Drive and Dungeon...

(Wow... $24k in today's equivalent - surprised he was allowed to take it home! And then that time my mum watered the plant on the shelf above it and it went POP! plunging the house into darkness... luckily it worked again after drying out for half an hour, but imagine how my parents were feeling! )

Edit: okay, I've gone down far too deep of a rabbit hole now - but I think we played all of these games: https://youtu.be/4xVV-bbNlmI?t=585

And coincidentally I'll be seeing my dad for the first time in four years tomorrow as he's visiting the country and staying over! Will definitely have to show him this...