Open Bookmark Folder in Tab Stack
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@mrc007 The linked request already has over 50 votes, but in my opinion sessions offer a better workflow. Why?
- The context menu on bookmark folders is already too long so selecting the desired item is slow.
- You failed to mention how to tile the tabs. Should they be tiled horizontally, vertically, or as a grid?
- Sessions remember the zoom level for each tab in the tile / tab stack / tiled tab stack, scroll position for the active tab, and the tab history.
Sessions need several improvements: support syncing, preserve grid spacing, and easier updating/editing. There are already many feature requests for sessions.
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@Pesala Thanks for your response.
-Sessions are definitely providing extra things, but open bookmark folder as a Tab Stack will provide ease to use, as @akkred said "if a user bookmarks a tab into a folder then by default he wants to open all the separate pages as a tab stack" it would be a new normal eventually.
- Context menu on bookmark folders are long -> We can always make it smaller by making a tree menu (Please check the image attached)
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You failed to mention how to tile the tabs. ->No, It can easily be addressed, by default we can put it on vertically (Vertical way I think is reasonable, I can explain if you want) and then give an option in settings to alter the default.
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Sessions remember the zoom level for each tab in the tile-> Surely "Session" would be given some more specific controls to the user, but what bookmark folder as a Tab Stack (Whihc we are suggesting) will provide a quick way to open up tabs like never before, I really think It will be a gamechanger.
Please upvote this post as well in order to make our voice heard. Where I explained it bit more detailed way.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/58078/open-bookmark-folder-in-a-new-tab-stack-with-tile -
@mrc007 Submenus only make finding and selecting items more difficult unless you familiarise yourself with the keyboard access keys through frequent use or careful customisation. Mice and trackballs are inefficient if the menu is complex.
Tile vertically by default on portrait monitors, tile horizontally by default on landscape monitors, tile to grid automatically for three or more tiles might reduce the need for more complexity, but the menu is still too long to add three more items.
Have you actually used sessions? Set a shortcut like Shift+O for the Open Session dialog.
Anyone can vote for your suggestions, but the harsh reality is that you may be waiting a long time for what you want as the Vivaldi Team is small, and there are over 3,700 requests. If they implement ten in a new stable release we consider it a feature-rich update.
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@Pesala "Submenus" way was one of the ideas to implement the new feature but there are more ways to address the issue,, issues like (as you mentioned) "selecting items more difficult" One of the solutions might be By adding one option on the context menu and having symbols for Tab Stack and Tile
For eg. similar to this
Yes, I used the Session and absolutely loved the way how it preserves the Tab Stack and Tile. The idea which I suggest here will give users ease to access those amazing feature in a more direct way.
Yes, the last one, Yes I can totally understand what you are pointing, it is not that easy for them to address all the suggestions from us, but if more senior member like you started participating on a thread like this might catch their attention and hopefully they will consider it.
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@mrc007 Exactly. I don't understand why this wasn't in a long time ago but I'll look at how to use sessions for now as Pasala suggests.
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I was looking to even save selected Tab Stacks in the Starter page. I know stacks can be pinned, but the pinned tabs though smaller, can cause clutter for me. It's useful that sessions can be opened from the Quick Commands, and triggered by a keyboard shortcut.
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How about making saved sessions available in the book mark tab, Or maybe even making sessions launchable through speed dial. I think that would be a great idea. I also agree, I am a new user and noticed this feature was missing the first 10 minutes
Norman Walsh
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Was also looking for this feature! Not interested in sessions in my workflow tbh. Will watch for this feature.
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@NWalsh3000 That's exactly what I was thinking also, I guess merging the sessions and bookmark sidebars would be a good thing to do. It feels like they went out of their way to put the interface to open a session where you would not find it. Also I guess sessions take up a lot of storage?
So I guess important is:
- Saving Tab Stacks easily (with an option to close the Tab Stack while doing so)
- Accessing the saved thing has to be easy
- Reopening should put it in the same location/window as a Tab Stack where it came from
- The saved thing has to be synced, if that's not feasible with Sessions focus more on Bookmarks please
Thanks!
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I'm also looking for the best place to vote for this feature. I had some ideas about the implementation that conflict with yours, since you mention adding options in the context menu (right click), since this I think would double the "open" options from 5 to 10. I think instead it should be a "Settings" checkbox. I wrote more about it on the first post that Google found for me here, where I mention other caveats to the feature request: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/54907/open-bookmark-folders-as-tab-stack/3
Vivaldi developers, please consider the above and linked context about this feature request
+1 from me.
I'll read through the comments to see if anyone has found a work-around. I think it may be possible now for command chains to provide us this, though command chains are still not synced sadly.
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@penguinairlines Vote for the first post if you haven't already done so. (Voting again will remove your vote).
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@Pesala I did, and thank you for your quick responses today.
I'll mention 1 other thing:
@pesala said in Open Bookmark Folder in Tab Stack:
@mrc007 The linked request already has over 50 votes, but in my opinion sessions offer a better workflow. Why?
The context menu on bookmark folders is already too long so selecting the desired item is slow.
You failed to mention how to tile the tabs. Should they be tiled horizontally, vertically, or as a grid?
Sessions remember the zoom level for each tab in the tile / tab stack / tiled tab stack, scroll position for the active tab, and the tab history.Sessions need several improvements: support syncing, preserve grid spacing, and easier updating/editing. There are already many feature requests for sessions.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse by tagging you a 2nd time today, pesala, but I want it to be clear to all users reading this thread (since it seems to be the highest voted for this issue) that there are many issues still with Vivaldi Sessions that don't exist for bookmarks management, which I highlight in my linked post. The TLDR is as follows:
- Vivaldi Sync does not yet support Sessions. The feature request is open for 5 years. Bookmark sync has worked well for many years.
- Bookmarks are able to be sourced by other browsers, while Session data is not.
- Sessions store in proprietary binary files, while bookmarks store in what looks like JSON objects. This is a con for me in terms of readability, programmatic parsing and modification, etc. The extensibility of session data is therefore poor by comparison.
- Automatic session saving collects the entire session data (though manual session saving is granular), and partial restores are not an option. Bookmark restores are inherently partial.
- Session restores assume many things about localization and configuration. It's not easy to tell how this will impact your recovery if you are not logged into some sites, have certain extensions installed, etc. See above for when you must repeat the restore for your entire session rather than repeating a certain selection. Bookmarks, having stored less metadata, offer a more standardized method of backup, recovery, and migration to other browsers.
I think for these reasons, this thread's feature request is a valid one that can get us a lot of functionality for less development effort.
Lastly, I have been unsuccessful in finding or building my own command chain workaround. Please feel free to tag me if you (any reader) are able to solve this.
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@penguinairlines Of the 5,400 or so feature requests, many of them are still open after many years. Workarounds are better than nothing. Ask elsewhere about Command Chains.
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@pesala said in Open Bookmark Folder in Tab Stack:
Of the 5,400 or so feature requests, many of them are still open after many years.
My comment was not meant to be a dig at the Vivaldi team. Truthfully I have worked in a few software development organizations myself, though as a Systems Engineer, and so I have a good amount of empathy for the balance of public relations and managing feature requests. That said, I made my comment so that we may expect it won't be soon that this specific feature (Session sync) will be complete and able to be relied upon for backup & restore, migration, etc. I'm not sure about the LoE or scope of such a change, but this thread's feature would likely be significantly easier to implement. I put some pseudo code in the post I linked before.
@pesala said in Open Bookmark Folder in Tab Stack:
Ask elsewhere about Command Chains.
Thanks, will do.
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Ppafflick moved this topic from Automotive Feature Requests on -
I also would like to see a "open folder as tab stack" feature.
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Yeah you can add me to this list, it would be a real boon. It seems odd that you can bookmark a stack but you cant open a bookmarked stack.
Sessions are too impractical to use as a replacement, mixing and matching stacks ad-hoc is laborious.
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We think it's a good idea, so we have added this request to our pipeline. We will keep you updated once there's progress or when it's implemented.
