Browsers made in the EU

[Catweazle]

@code3 , like Vivaldi, own sync and let decide the user which other G APIs need or not in the settings.
But I think that the EU has to get its own way and create its own system, independent of those of the US, the capacity to do so has plenty.

[code3]

@eggcorn I guess, but I think Chrome succeeds in part due to being a G product.

[Catweazle]

@code3 , same for Mozilla, since long time death without Google help.

[Eggcorn]

@code3 said in Browsers made in the EU:

I guess, but I think Chrome succeeds in part due to being a G product.

Yes, what's your point?

[code3]

@eggcorn Just, your idea would only succeed if people really do want to get away from Google AND/OR the browser can provide the same quality of services.

[Eggcorn]

@code3 That's why we ought to stroke European economic nationalism here (when it comes to computers and data). So that Europeans will want to get away from Google, and the other American Big Tech companies. And so that the EU will get more serious about about making Europe independent of American Big Tech.

[code3]

@eggcorn I don’t live in the EU, but yes, that’s my point. Maybe better US privacy laws are needed.

[Eggcorn]

@catweazle I've found another European browser, and it seems to be a European version of Ungoggled Chromium. It's called Iridium. But I can't recommend it, it's on Chromium 85 (current version is 91)! So, unfortunately, it's not a viable browser.

Still, a European Ungoggled Chromium (one that actually keeps up with security updates) doesn't sound too hard, if you have enough resources. Maybe Quant (the French search-engine) could do it.

[Catweazle]

@eggcorn , or KDE kicks in and updates SeaMonkey the hell of a time and puts an engine on it properly (WebKit, WTF?)

[Eggcorn]

@catweazle Huh?

[code3]

@catweazle said in Browsers made in the EU:

WebKit

WebKit is still actively developed and used for Blink. Why do you hate it so much?

[Catweazle]

@code3 , Blink was developed on the basis of WebKit, because by then it was better adapted to new web formats.The best example is to see the comparisons of Chromium browsers with, for example, Safari in compatibility and performance.Perhaps this is why KDE has not continued with SeaMonkey for a long time, seeing the limitations that it implies

[Eggcorn]

I just read an article: "Biden [the U.S. President] Administration Considers Technology Sanctions if Russia Invades Ukraine" by Rob Garver. Here are a few excerpts:

• [T]he administration has begun laying the groundwork for a ban on the sale of high-technology products containing U.S.-made components or software to Russia.

• [T]he rule would make it illegal under U.S. law for any entity in the world to sell high-technology equipment to Russia if that equipment was made or tested using U.S. technology.

• ""If they go for the maximum approach, that means no more iPhones for Russia," said Lewis, of CSIS."

Whatever your feelings on the Russia-Ukraine situation: America is considering cutting a European country off from American technology! This should be a wake-up call for Europe. Europe must reduce her dependence on American technology.

[Catweazle]

@eggcorn , agree, the EU has excelent IT experts and companies and the current Ucraine crisis shows that the EU also is in the NATO to serve the US goverment against their own interests.

For petty political interests we have become subjects of the United States in all areas.

[Eggcorn]

@eggcorn This is worse than I feared! Here are two more articles: "Microsoft, Chanel, EA—Here’s The Growing List Of Companies Cutting Ties With Russia Over Invasion" by Marisa Dellatto & Mason Bissada, and "Intel, Google add to growing tech business boycott of Russia" by Rex Crum.

To sum up the articles: Many American companies, including Big Tech companies such as Apple and Microsoft, are refusing to sell to Russians. Not because they have to, not because American law requires them to! They're doing this of their own free will.

I'll reiterate: It doesn't matter what you think about the Russia-Ukraine situation. What matters is this: It's Russia today, it could be you tomorrow! The world must minimize her dependence on American Big Tech.

[TbGbe]

@eggcorn said in Browsers made in the EU:

The world must minimize her dependence on American Big Tech.

So you are saying - Monopolies Bad!?

[Catweazle]

@tbgbe , certainly. Especially when the almost whole of the technology depends on a monopoly that on is not of the own country.
It can not be that the whole of the network is controlled by US companies, equally also the hardware depends on them, apart from Asia. Although at least in the last, seems that also the EU begins to wake up, capacity does not be missing them, but investment.

[Catweazle]

@kerygma , I define this in another way, avoiding globalizations. It is not Russia that is invading Ukraine, but it is exclusively due to the delusions of its ruler Putin, it is also not against the USA (whose troops have certainly invaded more than 70 countries in the last decades, whose refugees are not nearly as well welcomed in the EU like the Ukrainians), goes in general against companies that abuse their monopoly and depend too much on their rules and conditions, without voice or vote.

The issue is about sovereignty, always mentioned in combination with the current conflict in Ukraine, but rarely if it is the same in European countries, when we do not have it in front of American technology and neither, as we will see now, of Russian gas.

(I wonder what the Russians, Americans, and Germans are doing now in the space station, kicking each other's faces?)

[DoctorG]

🧨 Sorry, war discussion about UA vs. RU is total off-topic! It is NOT a browser discussion!
Please, open a thread at https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/15/chit-chat

Huh! I can tell that any political discussion will result into unfriendly posts and will get closed. Please stay respectful and friendly.

[Catweazle]

@doctorg , agree, I don't think it was our Russian friends in this forum who started this disaster in Ukraine. The only persons responsible have a first and last name.
But to excuse the debate, it is difficult to avoid seeing a possible catastrophe.