When it comes to YouTube and Feed Readers, Vivaldi is ahead of the game
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@edsonneto It's the lack of state the read/unread feed on Android devices. If I have read some articles from my feed on desktop then after I switch to my mobile device I don't know which articles were read/unread.
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@pathduck said in When it comes to YouTube and Feed Readers, Vivaldi is ahead of the game:
@pesala Edge's biggest edge is "Internet Explorer mode" for legacy enterprise crap
And in my experience - it's not even completely true... my stupid security system uses an IE plugin and does not work in Edge compatibility mode!
I'm stuck using IE on the home desktop since Edge on my corporate laptops doesn't work and I can forget about phone access...
When IE is completely blocked I might have to do something like run a Win7 VM on one machine to act as a gateway for accessing the online security server!
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@mossman Sad but true. It will probably be another decade at least before enterprise environs are free of Internet Explorer. So much stuff was developed in the 00's strictly for IE using Java applets, Flash, ActiveX, Silverlight and probably hundreds of proprietary plugins.
Not to mention heavy web apps meant to look like Windows apps and exclusively tested on IE
The legacy of IE will continue to live on in Windows for a long long time.
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@pathduck said in When it comes to YouTube and Feed Readers, Vivaldi is ahead of the game:
@mossman Sad but true. It will probably be another decade at least before enterprise environs are free of Internet Explorer. So much stuff was developed in the 00's strictly for IE using Java applets, Flash, ActiveX, Silverlight and probably hundreds of proprietary plugins.
Not to mention heavy web apps meant to look like Windows apps and exclusively tested on IE
The legacy of IE will continue to live on in Windows for a long long time.
Oh yeah - I forgot about this one as well... my company (big consultancy working mostly in IT, ironically) uses a piece of garbage for logging time and vacations. It can be used in Vivaldi for normal tasks but requesting holidays didn't completely work except in IE. Recently, lots of mails saying IE will be disabled on our laptops and they have configured Edge for compatability with legacy systems such as this timekeeping thing.
Last time I checked... Edge actually more broken than Vivaldi in that thing!
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It’s always been possible to subscribe to youtube feeds with any feed reader. Years ago it was as simple as using the channel name, then youtube changed that around and you had to go hunting for channel ids in the page source… Anyway, Vivaldi made it really simple and it was a good move. Edge trying to do this is bad for everyone, because they have a large user base (compared to Vivaldi). What I could see happening is a move to get rid of feeds altogether by youtube. They want you to log in and subscribe and rely on the platform, not handle it detached with a third party tool. That’s also why I can’t believe Chrome/Google would ever introduce automatic fetching of youtube feeds for an inbuilt reader, unless a Google account is necessary and you gotta be logged in all the time. Anyway, they rather burn it all down than allow viewers simple access is my suspicion.
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Vivaldi is ahead of the game?
yeah ..just not in this area ...it's the worst RSS feed implementation ever (you can find addons that already do this kind of lame in tab view of rss feeds).. Currentl the best RSS feed sidebar still goes to Sage RSS as an extension for Firefox and has been that way for years! Offers way better functionality and UX.. where the sidebar is split into feed list and feed view.. and offers quick tooltips over feed items so you can get get a quick view of the content without opening any tabs whatever so ever (middle click it to view the actual feed item url, even offers a similar feed view in tab... not this current stupid design you've done with zero options.
Really pisses me off as Sage RSS for Firefox has been mentioned tons of times on here for years, and now you finally add a sidebar for feeds.. only with an awful implementation its not even worth bothering with.. I still have to use Firefox because of things like this!
https://i.imgur.com/n6uUOj1.png
As pointed out years ago on here multiple times Vivaldi lack of a decent rss feed sidebar
If I wanted an entire browser tab view just to look at RSS feeds I'd use a dedicated RSS feed app, where there would be even more options... this is just just dumb Vivaldi, the competition is shit anyway... but you've spent this much time when all you had to do was copy another Firefox addon... was all you have to do, Vivaldi is way ahead of other shit browsers because it copied a lot of good power features from what might have been all the best addons Firefox had before it became a shitty chrome clone (albeit extension developers still get a bit more flexibility to make sidebar addons, which is why Sage RSS still exists for Firefox and will never be added for Chrome or browsers based on Chrome codebase like Vivaldi... but instead of adding the same functionnality of that addon you make something completely inferior and make out like this is ahead of the game?! I could have agreed if you had just bloody cloned Sage Rss).... should have just keep going with that.. It sucks you spent ages doing something like this...and miss mark by miles! Maybe you can still salvage it and add more customization options to have it work like Sage Rss..rss sidebar rant over
...maybe for next feature make better tab/tabbar feature, like maxthon2 had over 10 years ago.. where you can drag/drop tab into seperate split view. Like many IDE's where you can drag/drop panels into different section of the screen.. onl Maxthon split the tabbar with that view giving the user the ability to manage open more tabs into that same split view with its own tab bar...
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@koolio Made a quick search, you seem to be the only one mentioning Sage. It appears you even got promotional links removed for it in the past. Are you an ambassador for Vivaldi or Sage? Anyway, pointing out a feature should behave as in another product is not a valid feature request.
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@luetage:
The only reason Sage is mentioned at all is because it is the only addon that exists to demonstrate the behavior of a rss feed sidebar that actually works really well and can be tested out by anyone interested in seeing for themself...The rss feed sidebar that Sage currently has can be said to have been copied from MyIE2 from way back in the early 2000's.... many of the the best power features were MyIE2 built in features or addons way before Firefox even hit 2x and started gaining similar decent power user addons (Mozilla were too useless too add anything decent themselves, infact spent most of Firefox 4x onwards breaking api's used by addon devs).. unlike Vivaldi which I give them credit for actually building in alot of the power user features because it sure as hell wouldn't ever be done by Google/Chromium.
Anyway did a say it's really dumb to make out a valid feature request isn't allowed to exist in another product? How in the hell do you think Vivaldi would stand out then? many of it's features and options aren't original ideas, in some cases they've been around for decades now.
And it's good to still have a browser like Vivaldi that actually provides such features, Firefox after it became a total Chrome clone in all but underlying codebase, as they went along with making there browser adhere to Google/MS restrictions on addon capabilities and destroyed many of it's once great addons to become practically useless an no better than Chrome/MS IE crap.. it's pretty surprising that Firefox even has a working rss feed sidebar addon given the shear number of stupid choices Mozilla has made in the last few years, that any addon developer would even bother with them anymore.
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@koolio No, what I’m saying is it’s not a valid feature request. You got to split the features you are missing up into definite requests and explain each individually in its own topic. Just writing: “Do it like Sage.” is lazy and will get you nowhere.
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@luetage So, you're suggesting they need to be more... sagacious?
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@luetage: Please remember to write posts following the Vivaldi Code of Conduct (https://vivaldi.com/privacy/code-of-conduct/). Calling someone lazy is not welcoming nor respectful nor kind nor friendly, and is insulting.
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@libcub said in When it comes to YouTube and Feed Readers, Vivaldi is ahead of the game:
Calling someone lazy
Describing someone's behaviour as being lazy, is not at all the same as calling a person lazy. Nuance does matter.
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@guigirl You are so lazy. Instead of engineering your own quarrels you steal mine. I would report you, but I can’t be bothered.
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@luetage said in When it comes to YouTube and Feed Readers, Vivaldi is ahead of the game:
You are so lazy
Am too !!!
Just for reference, if anyone cares to read IMO genuinely nasty posts, see this, & look for those written by repeat-offender birdie, who somehow keeps getting away with being revolting.
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Just writing: “Do it like Sage.” is lazy and will get you nowhere.Well obviously I can't dispute that
as it has been clearly demonstrated by Vivaldi. Still shouldn't be any need to give out full explanation for something that can be easily checked out. Why they've decided on entirely implementation who knows, I have zero interest in using it in its current state anyway.Ofc splitting the sidebar up with a bottom panel that actually does what I'd prefer instead, is still possible... instead of it needing to take over an entire browser tab just to view things. Will they actually do it, I can't see why not, most the functionality is practically there for it now.
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@koolio sage is terrible though, one of reasons it took me a long time to get into RSS was lack of a good reader that would sell it to me, M2 was the one that did it, though it wasn't perfect (and M3 has basically all the issues + some for now)
and having a whole tab gives you all the benefits of comfortable UI with none of the separate app drawbacks so all your cookies are still there, there's no chaotic app switching, you can easily open articles in background and so on (of course it can be improved a lot, like option to open reading view of the website or the article view from feed in new tab, not only the original website, but then again, it's still in beta and hopefully it will get finished, unlike toolbar config, yes, I'm salty) -
@zakius: Well your entire way of wanting to read rss feeds is not for me.. a good and functional rss feed 'sidebar' is where it starts and ends for me (currently Vivaldi only provide half the functionality in the sidebar and the rest of it in a tab).. Like I said before I have zero interest in a whole tab being taken up just to view the feed items, it's fine as additional option, not as the only option, the whole point of rss feeds is to be able to quickly skim through both feeds from different sites and quickly see what the latest feeds are from each, opening the ones you're interested in reading into background tab etc to go check out and read as intended to be read.. Being able to do all that with the sidebar opened is the way its done for me. That's always been my workflow for using rss feed sidebars from way back in the myie2 days so 10+ years ago.
Maybe back in the day of having slow internet I could see a reason using tab for viewing and actually reading an entire feed items article without visiting the original site... Still you're not going to get the all the content of images/video or layout.. the rss feed spec doesn't require website developer to actually put in everything in the original article like images urls etc into the the feed xml either.. at minimum only partial article description content so yeah in alot of cases you have no choice but to goto the url..
"sage is terrible though" ...past iterations of rss feed extensions and prior versions of sage like rss feed sidebars on Fireox have had more functionality, I only say SageRss now because its the only thing that works with active developer.. Mozilla have driven away tons of developers from bothering with updating past addons many of which vastly better than what is doable with the gimped web extension API thanks to the collusion of morons at Google/MS etc.
Also the old Sage had two columns of feed items in tab view similar to Vivaldi's current layout of feeds.. I still didn't care for it.. and the current version has it's own rss feed view css styling import which allows it be be changed aswel... https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/support-sage-like-sidebar-based-rss-feed-reader/43383/13
Anyway is plenty of smaller tweaks Vivaldi could bother with adding even in the current Mail client/rss sidebar for the rss feeds.. like loading the site favicon for the feed url.. development pretty slow really, as doesn't seem like anything changed for the RSS feed stuff since it was in beta preview months ago.
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@koolio I mostly don't use the third column but putting sources list and articles list in a single column just makes both unreadable, it's much quicker to work through them when you have full height for both, and even then it's not enough but at least not as cramped as with half that height
and additionally article titles put in the middle of the screen are just easier to read and have more horizontal space toowebextensions are... easy to work with as long as they aren't prohibitive, so many extensions are impossible to make but feed readers are pretty fine (though WebSQL would work wonders...)
and that being said Vivaldi is in even worse condition when it comes to extension as Chromium API is, as unbelievable as it sounds, even worse (and imagine that Apple managed to make Safari use "webextensions but worse that chromium API" somehow...)
