Vivaldi should move on from being just another browser
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@hololoyoj Separating the email client would mean duplicating the code that Vivaldi uses for rendering emails, which is already there for rendering web pages.
There are almost no benefits, and lots of disadvantages from splitting Vivaldi into separate apps.
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@hololoyoj No, it shouldn’t. The point of creating Vivaldi was reintroducing the features Opera abandoned, a big part of this is inbuilt mail. In fact the promise of mail was the reason I started using Vivaldi. They are never gonna separate it, you can forget about it.
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@hololoyoj , when you give the user a browser and separate apps, you give him just another browser, like Chrome or Edge.
Much better to give him a browser which include all the features which he could need and which he can select itself what to use use or not.
You can have a card opener or a swiss army knife, a browser like others or an internet suite. -
@catweazle Yea this is the part where it all depends on preference
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@hololoyoj I think it is about bugs. There are too many naughty bugs to be able to go develop another application at this point. But bug fixes aren’t exciting, so the team goes and looks for other things to make, and we still have bugs. Hopefully V will one day be as stable as the mainstream browsers - until then, adding more applications isn’t a good idea.
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@code3 Oh, wait, i meant PWAs, i just forgot to mention that, PWAs shouldnt be hard to develop, infact easy and more lightweight
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@hololoyoj So maybe a maps app, or search engine?
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@code3 A Maps app is something i thought i didnt need until you mentioned it, i would love to stop using google/apple maps and use Vivaldi Maps if it ever became a thing
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@code3 , apart from G maps and Here maps (Bing), all other maps, f.exmpl. Qwant map are based in Open Street map, which can be used directly with same result. No needs of a own Vivaldi map
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@catweazle Maps are required, it may be usefull to be plugged into the search engine if it is ever made
Besides, G maps and Here Maps are from completely screwed up companies, Qwant Maps is usefull only for those who use qwant, 'cause the people who dont cant directly access it through search, Making Vivaldi Maps has a market to people who agree with the above statement -
@catweazle Apple maps is big. Didn’t even know Microsoft had a maps app, but since there is no Windows mobile I have to assume practically no one is using it. OpenStreetMap is an alternative, but the results you get are mediocre at best.
So yeah, you basically got Apple, Google and whatever China is using behind its wall. I would bet Vivaldi will never ever make a maps app, an operating system, or launch an airline. Don’t know what you could come up with besides, but Vivaldi won’t be doing it either. It’s a browser company…
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@luetage , Here maps not only for Windows Phone.
https://wego.here.com/?x=ep&map=37.1879,-3.604,10,normal
Oepn Street map isn't so complete like G Maps, right, but for most use enough. At least the Open Street Map of Spain is nearly complete and in permanent development, editable by the user.
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@catweazle Do you use Open Street Map for driving? Do you think most other people would? It has a not that great interface and stuff missing the last time I checked. Mapbox is based on OSM but with meaningful improvements. Then V will add Vivaldi-style customization, theming, a better UI, and Vivaldi sync.
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@code3 , if you are driving, it isn't good to use Vivaldi
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@catweazle Only for maps tho. Maybe while driving Vivaldi could show maps in full screen to avoid distraction.
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@code3 , better to use a GPS dedicated for the car, than a Smartphone.
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@catweazle But, most people won’t want to use a GPS or physical map. I wonder what map is used for a dedicated GPS, maybe it could also be used for V Maps.
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and I still think Vivaldi should consider adding value by becoming an online content subscription broker
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/60844/suggested-business-model-vivaldi-as-a-subscription-broker
Many sites I regularly visit like my local newspaper, tech mag, satirical site, several larger news outlets, they all want me to sign up for some expensive subscriptions to see content. I don't want to pay everyone a full subscription, and I don't want the hassle to set up dozens of accounts of pay per view. I'd like Vivaldi have deals with those sites and I pay a subscription to Vivaldi, which then gets distributed by view count to the news outlets.
Win win win. I get to see all content without having dozens of expensive accounts I don't make full use of, news outlets get some of my money that they currently don't, and Vivaldi can get some fee along the way.
(@code3 and I can just pay with credit card, thank you )
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@wildente It’s true what you mention, every publisher implementing their own way of handling subscriptions and payments is a letdown. But every browser vendor implementing a system of content subscription is equal madness. In truth all browsers should come together and agree on one model and then go with it. Of course this is unlikely to happen, because the 800 pound gorillas wouldn’t need/want cooperation. If your name is Apple, Google or Microsoft, you’d rather lock your users into a closed system to make switching much harder. Vivaldi going solo on this is likely to fail in any case.