Multiple Row Tabs
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@folgore101 Not only does changing that setting have no effect for me, presumably due to the multiple row hack, but it doesn't even make sense that it would work at all, since it's the active tab minimum width, whereas the problem is that inactive tabs aren't showing the close button. Not saying it isn't the issue, just that if it is, it's just an example of stuff not being logical. And either way, it's an example of how Vivaldi is very rough around the edges, having lots of small issues like that which, individually, aren't too bad, but together just create a subpar browser experience.
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@vertigo220 It depends on the type of use, if you didn't say it i would never have noticed it, the close button of the tabs is one of the first things i disable.
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@folgore101 Already did, several weeks ago. Crickets. Again, not sure if it's related to the row tabs hack, and if it is it would make sense they wouldn't bother with it. Either way, I haven't found the Vivaldi devs to be very interested in fixing problems.
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@vertigo220 said in Multiple Row Tabs:
I haven't found the Vivaldi devs to be very interested in fixing problems.
That's not really fair. They are very much interested in fixing problems. They do little else all day, but there are a lot of bugs and thousands of feature requests, and only a small team.
With 4,105 feature requests, and a small team, those needed by few users or difficult to implement may have to wait for a long time. Wherever you see that a feature is tagged as In Progress, it may get done this year rather than next.
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@pesala Not fair or unfair, just my perception of the situation. I've had to completely stop using Vivaldi on Android because it has such severe issues, and AFAIK months after reporting the issues nothing has been fixed, and I'm not hopeful the issues will be fixed for a long time.
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@pesala already did!
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good day
i love it .- i like this very much.
@luckypotato said in Multiple Row Tabs:
This has been implemented already in Vivaldi Hooks, which you can access and find more out about here. However, due to the way it works, you'll need to reinstall the hooks every time Vivaldi is updated. It's a small price to pay to have this, and quite a lot of other, new functionality.
vivaldi is so amazing - i have told all my friends about vivaldi - and i have made some of them to BETA-Testers .- they run Vivaldi on their machines... --;)
keep up the awesome project it rocks.. and is generally one of the very best browsers out there
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With the recent update breaking the CSS to move the tab bar below the bookmark bar this has become an even more critical improvement that Vivaldi needs to implement.
On the bright side I see it's been marked with In Progress! Hopefully we see it sooner rather than later, it's absolutely critical for Vivaldi getting a solid userbase of those of us incredibly frustrated by the Chrome-ifying of browsers!
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@rainbowmagicmarker
But what is this?!
I rebooted Windows from an update and then launched Vivaldi and found that Vivaldi (via an update?) nuked my multiple tab rows and messed up the whole tab row by showing page images, which yoy cannot read anyway. How do you turn this last "feature" off and get multiple tab rows back, which is the main reason i use Vivaldi.The version is, Vivaldi 3.8.2259.42 (Stable channel) (64-bit)
Revision f4b13ed6242bf56c4ddb1dc50244f52c9903e4eb
OS Windows 10 OS Version 2009 (Build 19042.1052)EDIT: I found and turned off "Show Tab Thumbnails" under Settings, which I had never turned on, but multiple tab rows are no longer working.
Meaning if I want to open a lot of tabs, such as articles to read or in comparison shopping, then I am faced with the likes of this, ,
rather than like this,
(Firefox ESR 59 - legacy)Progress.
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@saved2serve Thumbnails of tabs have always been present in Vivaldi. You can grab the boundary at the bottom of the thumbs and slide them shut or go to settings/tabs/tab display and uncheck "show tab tumbnails."
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@ayespy said in Multiple Row Tabs:
@saved2serve Thumbnails of tabs have always been present in Vivaldi. You can grab the boundary at the bottom of the thumbs and slide them shut or go to settings/tabs/tab display and uncheck "show tab tumbnails."
Thanks - i saw and did the latter - but how do I get multiple tab rows multiple tab rows back?
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@saved2serve You mean two-row tab stacks? Vivaldi only has multiple rows for stacks.
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@ayespy said in Multiple Row Tabs:
@saved2serve You mean two-row tab stacks? Vivaldi only has multiple rows for stacks.
No: Multiple Row Tabs which this thread is about, via a hack that works.
I think this is what I did to enable this:Open vivaldi://experiments in the browser address bar
Enable the option "Allow for using CSS modifications"
Open the Appearance section in Settings
Look for Custom UI Modifications and hit Select folder and navigate to the location you want to place your custom.css file in, but choose a place outside the Vivaldi folder (which normally is %LOCALAPPDATA%\Vivaldi). Remember this location.
Close down Vivaldi and go to that location and right click and choose New>text document, and then name it custom.css Make sure that .css is the extension.
Then copy and paste the coding from here inside it. Then modify it for ver. 3.6 according to here. Save the file and launch Vivaldi.
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@saved2serve I see. That's a MODIFICATION.
It is not part of, nor sanction by, Vivaldi. It is allowed, even encouraged. But it is a user-modification which Vivaldi cannot ensure will work from one version to the next, because Vivaldi does not inspect it, evaluate it, or support it.
So when a mod stops working, it's necessary to go to the modifications category, work with the users there who design such things, and seek solution. It's not on-point to expect Vivaldi Devs to fix something they didn't build.
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@ayespy said in Multiple Row Tabs:
@saved2serve I see. That's a MODIFICATION.
It is not part of, nor sanction by, Vivaldi. It is allowed, even encouraged. But it is a user-modification which Vivaldi cannot ensure will work from one version to the next, because Vivaldi does not inspect it, evaluate it, or support it.
So when a mod stops working, it's necessary to go to the modifications category, work with the users there who design such things, and seek solution. It's not on-point to expect Vivaldi Devs to fix something they didn't build.
Thanks but I basically knew all this, and which is why I am posting in this Multiple Row Tabs thread which is where such problems and solutions were posted and found before. But now it seems that only a mod responding. Thanks for trying to help though.
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@saved2serve Yeah. This really isn't where such discussions take place. That would be in the Modifications category.
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@ayespy said in Multiple Row Tabs:
@saved2serve Yeah. This really isn't where such discussions take place. That would be in the Modifications category.
I see (or maybe will see) but I found the problem, which was that somehow the address to my Custom UI folder got changed, and now that I fixed it then the multiple tab rows hack is working again. Thank God. This is very important to me, and I wish it was a standard option.
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After what happened the other day, I've decided Vivaldi just isn't the browser for me and I'm going back to Waterfox. I've spent the past half year using it as my primary browser, trying to give it a fair chance despite constant frustrations from various design elements, most notably the lack of multiple tab rows and the issues with the rows provided by the hack, whether due to the hack itself or Vivaldi's behavior. And while I really like the tab stacking feature, and think it would be great in addition to multiple rows, I think multiple rows should have been the priority. Regardless, the other day showed that not only did they decide to do tab stacks instead, but either they did a lousy job with it, or this hack conflicts with it. Either way, regardless of whether it's their fault or the fault of an unsupported hack, I need multiple rows for a browser to be of any use to me, so if the only way to get that is through a hack, and if that hack causes problems with the official features, then I guess it just isn't going to work for me.
Anyways, for the sake of others using both the hack and tab stacking, in the hopes of possibly saving someone else the frustration that wasted over half an hour of my time, be very careful with the close tabs to the right/left functions. One would expect that to be contained within a tab stack, but I had ~90 tabs/stacks open, with ~5 or 6 of those being stacks containing anywhere from a few to a dozen to a couple dozen tabs, so probably close to 150 tabs altogether. And when I right-clicked a tab in a tab stack that was my fifth "tab", EVERY SINGLE TAB/STACK to the right of it closed, leaving me with only about 20 of my tabs left. Luckily, I periodically bookmark all my tabs, so I opened all the bookmarks from that (which revealed another issue with tab stacks, because doing so doesn't open the tabs in stacks, so each stack has to be done separately, then restacked, proving to be a nightmare all on its own) and then had to dig through the history to find any other tabs I'd opened since last bookmarking them.
And that, of course, led to yet ANOTHER discovery of Vivaldi's general crappiness. To try and make it easier to sift through the history, I searched for various terms of sites that flooded the history in order to remove them and declutter it. But I would search for a term, e.g. xyz mail, and it would filter to show all pages that matched, and I would start selecting, then it would refresh (I can only assume it has such poor search performance that it was still finding more entries even after it seemed to be finished) and mess up my selections. After dealing with that and trying to select and reselect stuff and delete stuff in chunks instead of trying to select it all, in order to be fast enough to do it before Vivaldi decided to refresh it again, I eventually realized that it was screwing up and causing me to delete stuff I didn't intend to delete. I think it was randomly filtering to the search term then changing and showing other stuff that didn't match. Anyways, that's when I really had enough. It just amazes me that something as basic as filtering and cleaning the history is such a buggy, PITA mess. So yeah, Vivaldi, I really, really tried, but I need a browser I can rely on, not one that's going to screw me over not once, but twice in one day.
And hopefully this will at least save someone else the headache this POS browser caused me.
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@vertigo220 said in Multiple Row Tabs:
After what happened the other day, I've decided Vivaldi just isn't the browser for me and I'm going back to Waterfox. I've spent the past half year using it as my primary browser, trying to give it a fair chance despite constant frustrations from various design elements, most notably the lack of multiple tab rows and the issues with the rows provided by the hack, whether due to the hack itself or Vivaldi's behavior. And while I really like the tab stacking feature, and think it would be great in addition to multiple rows, I think multiple rows should have been the priority. Regardless, the other day showed that not only did they decide to do tab stacks instead, but either they did a lousy job with it, or this hack conflicts with it. Either way, regardless of whether it's their fault or the fault of an unsupported hack, I need multiple rows for a browser to be of any use to me, so if the only way to get that is through a hack, and if that hack causes problems with the official features, then I guess it just isn't going to work for me.
@rainbowmagicmarker
@Saved2ServeI have updated this mod to work with Vivaldi 4.0. Just replace the old mod with this new file (ctrl+s and save to your mod directory):
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gorsash/vivaldi-multiline-tabs/master/multiline-equal-size-tabs.css -
LOL, my projects sessions includes 500+ tabs. I do organize them opening more browsers, one for each theme.